Utah Man pulled over for speeding gets Tasered

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

And that is exactly the problem. The driver refused to comply with the police officers direct orders. You choose to disobey, you pay.

I order you to never post in the AMT forum again. Obey, or pay.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

If the idiot would have simply signed the ticket and done what he was told, he wouldn't have been tazered. It's very simple really. He had an ego problem. Wouldn't submit to authority. Well I bet he learned his lesson now. Jerk. What was he trying to prove by arguing with the cop from the get go? Talk about arrogant pig. And it wasn't the police officer.

Remember what I said. I don't take kindly to trolls like you.

NMyTree

i am a donut wrote:

I just believe that you can be arrested for refusing to sign a ticket. Can anyone confirm this...? I mean, isn't the dash camera enough to prove the cop gave YOU the ticket...? Signing doen't prove anything. You can sign Mickey Mouse's name on the ticket for that matter. What does that prove...?

If you don't sign the ticket the officer can detain you and take you into custody.

" No signature on the citation by the citing officer.* The absence of a signature is a material defect that makes the entire citation invalid. "

MrBrian

MahoganySouls wrote:

Speeding is dangerous and this guy was an idiot if he was speeding with a pregnant wife and child in the car. Selfish power hungry egomaniac.

Speedings dangerous? Not really, crashing is.

Not one person in history has ever been killed just for speeding, 10 over the limit and what? you just up and die? -
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It's also much more dangerous to pull someone over on a motorway!

MahoganySouls

NMyTree wrote:

The officer is obligated to inform and explain why the motorist was pulled over and why he was writing him up (a ticket). The driver routinely attempted to communicate with the officer and requested an explanation for being pulled over and for being ticketed. This particular officer did none of those things in a rational or professional manner, to any satisfactory extent or degree. He refused to explain anything to the driver and simply continued to bark orders at the driver, while blurting out something about a Speed Sign; between barked orders.

Right from the very beginning, the officer perceived the drivers questions, requests for explanation/information and inquiries as a debate or an attempt to deliberate the charges, right there on the side of the road and as a challenge to his authority. Why the officer precieved it in that manner, is anyone's guess. Undoubtedly the officer was over-zealous or overly-sensitive to his authoritive position.

It is his job and obligation to explain in a detailed manner. Signing the ticket indicates you have been explained and informed of the charges and why you were pulled over and ticketed. With the officer having done none of those things in a satisfactory manner and behaving in an overly-sensitve and aggressive manner; one could not expect the driver to sign the ticket. Thus the reason he did not sign it. He even told the officer he would sign it if the officer explained it to him. The officer reacted with more barking of orders and more belligerence.

The driver made a huge mistake by not following the officer's orders to put his hands behind his back, putting his hands in his pockets (undoubedly a nervous/impulsive reaction to the whole situation) and then trying to walk back to the car. That's where the driver screwed up. That was the red flag that officers percieve as a threat, so the officer reacted by firing the Taser.

The Taser the officer had pulled out and used as a defensive threat right from the start of this whole sequence. He had no business pulling out a Taser, till the driver refused to put his hands behind his back, put his hands in his pockets and then tried to walk back to the car.

The officer was the catalyst in this situation escalating to the point that it did. If he had followed procedure and the Law, it would have not escalated to that point. If he had simply done his job..... explained/informed the driver and behaved like a rational and professional police officer; no tasing would have occured. He instigated this whole thing

Seems to me there's a very distinct possibility that was a speed trap and the Speed Sign in question was in fact either poorly placed or obstructed from view.

ROFLMAO the officer did not "instigate" the whole thing, the driver who BROKE THE LAW BY SPEEDING in the first place did! OMG

MahoganySouls

gue_barium wrote:

Remember what I said. I don't take kindly to trolls like you.

go away you are a pest
all I hear from you is bzzz bzzzzzz bzzt

prytocorduroy

The officer was a prick. He should've explained the situation to the driver, no matter how asinine the question about the ticket. The guy could've been mentally challenged for all we know.

However, the dumb ass tried to walk back to his car. Who does that? Seriously? Would you honestly just walk away from a police officer like he was some drunk idiot? Don't know if tasing was the solution, but I bet he won't walk away from a police officer again.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

go away you are a pest
all I hear from you is bzzz bzzzzzz bzzt

Step away from the keyboard.

g under p

g under p wrote:

Did anyone notice how the cop approached the vehicle? I've been pulled over before and I've never seen a cop approached my car like that. He walked up as he was getting ready to talk to his buddy with his face squarely in the window.

From what I could hear he never said "you are under arrest" he said "step out of the vehicle". Also when he told him to turn around if he did that he would then in fact be facing the cop. Which in turn is not what the cop wants.

He should be reprimanded severely and I would sue just to bring more light to this case.

Peace

The few times I've been pulled over for speeding I've asked the question "how did you determine my speed and by what method" if that's not written on the ticket? In ALL the cases I've experienced the officer has explained that this is not an admidtion of guilt just that you have acknowledged receiving this ticket. I've asked "what happens if I don't sign this ticket" the officers told me I could be detained/arrested. I wanted none of that so I signed.

The Point here is if you've truly speeded comply with his directions however the officer needs to explain each step of the way especially if the driver is asking what everything written on the ticket means.

Peace

norm

g under p wrote:

The few times I've been pulled over for speeding I've asked the question "how did you determine my speed and by what method" if that's not written on the ticket? In ALL the cases I've experienced the officer has explained that this is not an admidtion of guilt just that you have acknowledged receiving this ticket. I've asked "what happens if I don't sign this ticket" the officers told me I could be detained/arrested. I wanted none of that so I signed.

The Point here is if you've truly speeded comply with his directions however the officer needs to explain each step of the way especially if the driver is asking what everything written on the ticket means.

Peace

also, if this cop was using a radar gun, the guy has the right to see it.....this cop screwed up in every way...i wouldn't be surprised if this video is shown to recruits as what not to do...

g under p

cutback wrote:

also, if this cop was using a radar gun, the guy has the right to see it.....this cop screwed up in every way...i wouldn't be surprised if this video is shown to recruits as what not to do...

ABSOLUTELY, I've done the same thing and I was shown it on the radar gun or in another instance I was taken and he sat me in the car and the speed I was going kept flashing over and over 81-in a 65 zone. I was scared I was only 20 at the time.

Now in another occasion I was coming back from the beach and speeding on a 2 lane road in the Outer Banks. I cop passed me on the other side of the road, rolled around came up behind me and pulled me over. She came up to the car and asked me for L/R and I gave them to her and she said I was speeding.

I said "OK how fast was I going and how did you determine how fast I was going". The reason I asked was that I knew she didn't have a radar gun cause I had a radar/laser detector. She never gave me an answer, she then said "radar detectors are illegal". I said yes they are however in the 6 years I been going to the beach I've never seen a sign that radar detectors are illegal in this state of North Carolina. It's illegal in Virginia and Washington DC but not in NC. I remove it when I travel through those states and city.

She knew this too and was totally pissed and frustrated by now cause saw that I was not intidated and I knew my stuff. She basically let go and told me to take it easy.

There's no way she can determine my speed going the opposite direction without a radar gun and would have come back and gone to court had she attempted to give me a ticket.

You do have the right to ask sensible questions in a polite manner and the officer is or should be obligated to answer them.

Peace

MahoganySouls

g under p wrote:

ABSOLUTELY, I've done the same thing and I was shown it on the radar gun or in another instance I was taken and he sat me in the car and the speed I was going kept flashing over and over 81-in a 65 zone. I was scared I was only 20 at the time.

Now in another occasion I was coming back from the beach and speeding on a 2 lane road in the Outer Banks. I cop passed me on the other side of the road, rolled around came up behind me and pulled me over. She came up to the car and asked me for L/R and I gave them to her and she said I was speeding.

I said "OK how fast was I going and how did you determine how fast I was going". The reason I asked was that I knew she didn't have a radar gun cause I had a radar/laser detector. She never gave me an answer, she then said "radar detectors are illegal". I said yes they are however in the 6 years I been going to the beach I've never seen a sign that radar detectors are illegal in this state of North Carolina. It's illegal in Virginia and Washington DC but not in NC. I remove it when I travel through those states and city.

She knew this too and was totally pissed and frustrated by now cause saw that I was not intidated and I knew my stuff. She basically let go and told me to take it easy.

There's no way she can determine my speed going the opposite direction without a radar gun and would have come back and gone to court had she attempted to give me a ticket.

You do have the right to ask sensible questions in a polite manner and the officer is or should be obligated to answer them.

Peace

So lets see, you admit you were speeding (something you must obviously do routinely thus the detector)...but then go on to harrass the officer and get out of a ticket. Wow, you must be proud.

i am a donut

MahoganySouls wrote:

So lets see, you admit you were speeding (something you must obviously do routinely thus the detector)...but then go on to harass the officer and get out of a ticket. Wow, you must be proud.

Cops know that they aint sh*t without their Badges, Guns, and Steriods....

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MahoganySouls wrote:

So lets see, you admit you were speeding (something you must obviously do routinely thus the detector)...but then go on to harrass the officer and get out of a ticket. Wow, you must be proud.

After watching some faggot hopped up on control and power exact punishment on average joe public...if I had a story to the opposite...I'd tell it. Who wouldn't?

baraka

The guy probably was speeding and probably deserved a ticket, but this cop did not handle the situation or this man very well. There is much worse out there. A seasoned cop would know how to talk through the situation.The following is probably my favorite speeding video. This has to be the most patient cop ever. Gets really entertaining around 2:20.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osO7FgcQk_k&feature=related

g under p

MahoganySouls wrote:

So lets see, you admit you were speeding (something you must obviously do routinely thus the detector)...but then go on to harrass the officer and get out of a ticket. Wow, you must be proud.

I had a radar because it's legal in the state I live, if it wasn't I would not have one back then. As for the officer in what way did I harrass her? She knew radar detectors were legal in NC but tried to portray that they were illegal. If I didn't know what was up she would have gotten away with it. Who is harrassing who get your facts straight.

I asked the right questions in a polite manner that's why this incident did not escalate.

Peace

chopitdown

don't gimme no wrote:

What I found interesting was when the fucking pig was talking to the wife he said, "well, he wanted to be in charge..."

Now I'm sure there are exceptions but generally speaking, cops are the scum of society. They were obviously abused as children or had some sort of inferiority complex in middle school that made them want to "be in charge" of others.

And let's be honest, they certainly aren't smart. Anyone willing to settle for a shitty job with shitty pay and absolutely no moral payoff at the end of the day is a fucking idiot. I think cops are the fuck ups that even the military won't accept.

with peoples attitudes like this it's no wonder sometimes cops get a little defensive. what the cop did in this situation was stupid and the kid prob shouldn't have started walking back to his car. The officer should be disciplined no one will really argue that. But good grief, i bet you love this when you get some bad press about a cop and it helps cement your skewed views.

mookie9999

On the youtube video there is a CNN interview with both the driver and the cop. I don't have speakers at work, but will definitely be checking this out later to see what the cop has to say and if he has been punished.