Modern Republican Party
swallowedwords
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I have never voted for a Democrat in my life, but on Tuesday, I will be voting for Obama for President. This is not because I woke up recently and suddenly realized I'm a Democrat. It's because I can no longer vote for a Republican Party that is represented by people who champion ignorance over intellectualism. I supported Ron Paul in the primaries, and I was infuriated when he was treated like a joke by those running against him (Giuliani, McCain, Romney, etc). The GOP has surely lost it's way, and is paying the price for it now. After Tuesday, the GOP needs to purge itself of the religious nuts, the uninformed, and the rednecks, or it will be decades before they gain power again.
Hopefully, Republicans will reflect on why they lost so badly, and realize that the future of the party is not Sarah Palin, but people who think like Ron Paul.
Anyway, if the GOP is represented by Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber, and other know nothings, they are doomed.
It was refreshing to see people like Colin Powell, Chris Buckley, William Weld, Ken Duberstein, Susan Eisenhower, Ken Adelman, and other prominent Republicans come out to support Obama. Thank God there are still some sane Republicans out there. Maybe, the party can be saved afterall.
Hopefully, Republicans will reflect on why they lost so badly, and realize that the future of the party is not Sarah Palin, but people who think like Ron Paul.
Anyway, if the GOP is represented by Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber, and other know nothings, they are doomed.
It was refreshing to see people like Colin Powell, Chris Buckley, William Weld, Ken Duberstein, Susan Eisenhower, Ken Adelman, and other prominent Republicans come out to support Obama. Thank God there are still some sane Republicans out there. Maybe, the party can be saved afterall.
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I've never voted Republican, but I suspect Ron Paul would get my vote if he was on the ticket.0
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487I don't think a real Ron Paul supporter would ever vote for Obama. Just the way I see it.
Vote for Ron Paul with a write in or vote for Chuck Baldwin whom he endorsed.0 -
unsung wrote:I don't think a real Ron Paul supporter would ever vote for Obama. Just the way I see it.
Vote for Ron Paul with a write in or vote for Chuck Baldwin whom he endorsed.
have to admit ... if you support him, vote for him ..."You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
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I don't subscribe to Baldwin's views on religion, and many other key points.0
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unsung wrote:I don't think a real Ron Paul supporter would ever vote for Obama. Just the way I see it.
Vote for Ron Paul with a write in or vote for Chuck Baldwin whom he endorsed.
I've thought about a write in vote, But I like a lot of what Obama seems to stand for. Not all of it, but a lot.0 -
I don't think you're necessarily selling out your principles in order to vote for one of the two candidates that will undoubtedly win the election. It's the way I tend to vote; I understand and welcome the need for multiple parties and I want more viewpoints, and I keep telling myself that when the Presidential election is not the most important one of my lifetime, I'll vote for the presence of a third party. However, I haven't yet met a Presidential election that has not been the most important one of my lifetime.0
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i voted libertarian. not that i particularly like him, but i hate McCain and the hopelessly corrupt republican party and Obama is still on the opposite end of the spectrum for what i want.
plus i live in a very red state and my vote wont make a difference anyway. might as well vote 3rd party and maybe force the republican party to remake itself and lose the socially conservative ignorant bullshit.
i hope Obama wins though.0 -
jimed14 wrote:have to admit ... if you support him, vote for him ...
You can NOT vote for Ron Paul.
HE HAS NO ELECTORAL SLATE TO ELECT!
YOU CAN NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
If you wanted to vote for Ron Paul,
Vote Baldwin or McKinney.
PERIOD.
That being said,
TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER,
i agree with half your sentiment -- the GOP is putting the lid in their own coffin.
However, i think it's foolish to think that the Dems have their shit together any better.
Why would someone looking for a small government conservative candidate, concerned with personal liberties, sovereignty, and fiscal responsibility turn to an institution like the Democratic Party for answers?
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how do you explain the clinton administration?DriftingByTheStorm wrote:Why would someone looking for a small government conservative candidate, concerned with personal liberties, sovereignty, and fiscal responsibility turn to an institution like the Democratic Party for answers?
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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:You can NOT vote for Ron Paul.
HE HAS NO ELECTORAL SLATE TO ELECT!
YOU CAN NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
If you wanted to vote for Ron Paul,
Vote Baldwin or McKinney.
PERIOD.
That being said,
TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER,
i agree with half your sentiment -- the GOP is putting the lid in their own coffin.
However, i think it's foolish to think that the Dems have their shit together any better.
Why would someone looking for a small government conservative candidate, concerned with personal liberties, sovereignty, and fiscal responsibility turn to an institution like the Democratic Party for answers?
??? ???
isn't Ron Paul on the ballot in Montana and Louisiana?"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
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unsung wrote:I don't think a real Ron Paul supporter would ever vote for Obama. Just the way I see it.
Vote for Ron Paul with a write in or vote for Chuck Baldwin whom he endorsed.
Exactly. I smell a rat.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
swallowedwords wrote:I have never voted for a Democrat in my life, but on Tuesday, I will be voting for Obama for President. This is not because I woke up recently and suddenly realized I'm a Democrat. It's because I can no longer vote for a Republican Party that is represented by people who champion ignorance over intellectualism. I supported Ron Paul in the primaries, and I was infuriated when he was treated like a joke by those running against him (Giuliani, McCain, Romney, etc). The GOP has surely lost it's way, and is paying the price for it now. After Tuesday, the GOP needs to purge itself of the religious nuts, the uninformed, and the rednecks, or it will be decades before they gain power again.
Hopefully, Republicans will reflect on why they lost so badly, and realize that the future of the party is not Sarah Palin, but people who think like Ron Paul.
Anyway, if the GOP is represented by Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber, and other know nothings, they are doomed.
It was refreshing to see people like Colin Powell, Chris Buckley, William Weld, Ken Duberstein, Susan Eisenhower, Ken Adelman, and other prominent Republicans come out to support Obama. Thank God there are still some sane Republicans out there. Maybe, the party can be saved afterall.
Congrats. But, your post makes little sense. Obama is completely on the opposite end of the spectrum from someone like Ron Paul.0 -
Maybe, but McCain/Palin is further away imo.saveuplife wrote:Congrats. But, your post makes little sense. Obama is completely on the opposite end of the spectrum from someone like Ron Paul.
I'm really not a big Ron Paul fan, but in looking at his stand on the issues, I actually see Obama being closer than McCain and certainly Palin. What issues are you referring to exactly? Taxes maybe? I would love to see the IRS dismantled but I don't see it happening any time soon. "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."0 -
Chuck Hagel is also respectable as far as republicans go.
But that party has been kidnapped bt the fanatics and the derilects.
Obama is much closer to Paul than McCain is.
If the Gop could find itself and become about small government and very limited foriegn interference then it would be a party I could look at. But I think the religious right has a strangle hold.0 -
wolfbear wrote:Maybe, but McCain/Palin is further away imo. I'm really not a big Ron Paul fan, but in looking at his stand on the issues, I actually see Obama being closer than McCain and certainly Palin. What issues are you referring to exactly? Taxes maybe? I would love to see the IRS dismantled but I don't see it happening any time soon.
Well... here's my take...
Rank Highest to Lowest (Highest 3, Mid 2, Lowest 1)
Spending:
Obama 3
McCain 2
Paul 1
Taxes:
Obama 3
McCain 2
Paul 1
Free Trade:
Paul/McCain for it
Obama for "fair trade"
So, that's the economic take.
National Defense:
McCain 3
Paul 2
Obama 1
Paul supports strong national defense, but doesn't support Iraq war.
Lastly,
Paul is Pro-life. Which means he's on McCains side. As he is with most moral issues.
So, even if you say Paul is closer to Obama in foreign policy (which I don't believe is the case), I think you'd agree as far as moral issues and tax policy go, he's not closer to Obama and is closer to McCain.0 -
saveuplife wrote:
So, even if you say Paul is closer to Obama in foreign policy (which I don't believe is the case), I think you'd agree as far as moral issues and tax policy go, he's not closer to Obama and is closer to McCain.
He should be, he's a conservative. But there's no doubt he's closer to Obama than McCain on foreign policy, although truth be told I don't think he's that similar to either. Paul is a strict non-interventionist. He opposed the Iraq war resolution, and has condemned the sabre-rattling in regards to Iran on the part of the Bush administration and the Republican Party. He has criticized the "War on Terror" waged by the U.S. for as he perceives it, its' negative effect on the civil liberties of citizens. He supported working through the UN in regards to Iraq, as opposed to unilateralism. He supports ending the embargo with Cuba. On these and other issues, although the ideology that leads him to these policy positions may be different than most liberals, these positions nevertheless are closer to a liberal foreign policy position than the typical modern Republican. Additionally, on most of these major foreign policy issues, he is closer to Obama than McCain.
I think you're right to say on social and economic issues he's closer to McCain than Obama, but not foreign policy.0 -
saveuplife wrote:Well... here's my take...
Rank Highest to Lowest (Highest 3, Mid 2, Lowest 1)
Spending:
Obama 3
McCain 2
Paul 1
Taxes:
Obama 3
McCain 2
Paul 1
Free Trade:
Paul/McCain for it
Obama for "fair trade"
So, that's the economic take.
National Defense:
McCain 3
Paul 2
Obama 1
Paul supports strong national defense, but doesn't support Iraq war.
Lastly,
Paul is Pro-life. Which means he's on McCains side. As he is with most moral issues.
So, even if you say Paul is closer to Obama in foreign policy (which I don't believe is the case), I think you'd agree as far as moral issues and tax policy go, he's not closer to Obama and is closer to McCain.
I think you're wrong on pretty much everything here except for the pro-life bit.
Are you saying Ron Paul is pro-big-government and pro-spending?
because he would love to drasticaly slash the federal budget.
Also, Ron Paul has been outspoken about his beliefs with regards to "free trade", and he does NOT support it. He is more against it than Obama, even though that isn't saying much. I mean, Obama is full of shit on that point. Sorry, its true.
AND YOU PUT PAUL BELOW MCCAIN ON TAXES?
WTF?
The guy would love to get rid of pretty much ALL taxes.
How the fuck can you put him below McCain, much less Mr. I Would Love For The Government To Pay for EVERYTHING Obama.
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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
The guy would love to get rid of pretty much ALL taxes.
How the fuck can you put him below McCain, much less Mr. I Would Love For The Government To Pay for EVERYTHING Obama.
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Ron Paul's stand on abortion:
* Rep. Paul is a self-described "pro-life libertarian" who believes that Roe v. Wade should be overturned. He says abortion is not a constitutional issue.
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* He voted to ban partial birth abortions, and would not give U.S. aid to help fund family planning abroad.
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* He would not restrict the ability of someone to help a minor cross state lines for an abortion and would not make it an additional crime if a fetus is killed in an attack on a pregnant woman.
I really don't see this as pro-life. More of a Libertarian stance that government has no business being involved. It seems he really is pro-choice. "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."0
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