Why is USA allowed nukes, and other countries not?

pushmepullme
pushmepullme Posts: 255
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
Surely if USA were that keen on banning nukes, they'd disarm all theirs?

Or is this simply too logical for the gumps that run the USA?
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    pushmepullme wrote:
    Surely if USA were that keen on banning nukes, they'd disarm all theirs?

    Or is this simply too logical for the gumps that run the USA?

    we're the only people smart enough to use them correctly!
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    810wmb wrote:
    we're the only people smart enough to use them correctly!

    indeed. just like the same reason that israel is allowed to defend itself, but palestinians are terrorists.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    810wmb wrote:
    we're the only people smart enough to use them correctly!

    Yes the US is so brilliant in our military mindset that we start a trillion $$$ war based on WMD's in Iraq. Makes us look so much wiser when we get ready to use NUKES in Iran or anywhere else.

    "Auber Alles"

    Peace
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    g under p wrote:
    Yes the US is so brilliant in our military mindset that we start a trillion $$$ war based on WMD's in Iraq. Makes us look so much wiser when we get ready to use NUKES in Iran or anywhere else.

    "Auber Alles"

    Peace

    one reason outta a bunch...
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • Ebizzie
    Ebizzie Posts: 240
    There are six kids in a school who don't trust one another. They each have a semi-automatic weapon stuffed under their coat and they each know that the others are armed. They're keeping one another in check. You, as a school administrator, would presumably want to arm every student with these weapons, eh? If not, you'd at least defend the right of other students to arm themselves in your school, right? Because the way I'm taking your comment is that you're all about proliferation.

    Personally, it's scary enough that ANYONE has a nuke. I'd rather look like a hypocrite and discourage proliferation than idly stand by while other nations arm themselves to the teeth with technology that could literally wipe out the large majority of the world's population in the matter of a day.
    "Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
  • Boom The Cat
    Boom The Cat Posts: 482
    But I highly doubt the US will rid themselves of the weapons if they were to get hold of them.
    no matter where you go,
    there you are.

    - brain of c
  • pushmepullme
    pushmepullme Posts: 255
    810wmb wrote:
    we're the only people smart enough to use them correctly!

    Didn't some pilot fly across the country last summer with 3 armed nukes onboard? Real fucking smart.
    "I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)

    "Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)

    --Ed

    "Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)

    --Ed

  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    russia has more nukes than the entire world combined. they are backing Iran's desire to be able to have them. what happens if Iran and Russia team up against the US? if they did team up with Iran, that would be very scary for us all since russia is already close allies with china, and therefore also myanmar. does anyone else think this is a real possibility?

    i'm really worried with the iran situation on top of everthing else :(
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    pushmepullme wrote:
    Didn't some pilot fly across the country last summer with 3 armed nukes onboard? Real fucking smart.

    that couldn't blow up...
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    russia has more nukes than the entire world combined. they are backing Iran's desire to be able to have them. what happens if Iran and Russia team up against the US? if they did team up with Iran, that would be very scary for us all since russia is already close allies with china, and therefore also myanmar. does anyone else think this is a real possibility?

    i'm really worried with the iran situation on top of everthing else :(

    more than real possibility....... what worries me the most

    you have iran, venezuela, russia, cuba...all tight knit right now.

    adjmenaraghead is nutty enough to do the bidding. putin is kgb, they have never given up on busting us down.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • stu gee
    stu gee Posts: 1,174
    pushmepullme wrote:
    Surely if USA were that keen on banning nukes, they'd disarm all theirs?

    Or is this simply too logical for the gumps that run the USA?

    Yeah, they should just be dished out equally and fairly to every country in the world. That'll sort it.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    stu gee wrote:
    Yeah, they should just be dished out equally and fairly to every country in the world. That'll sort it.

    never will happen....in the real world can't happen
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • stu gee
    stu gee Posts: 1,174
    810wmb wrote:
    never will happen....in the real world can't happen

    There was slight sarcasm in my post.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    stu gee wrote:
    There was slight sarcasm in my post.

    :D:D:D

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Ebizzie
    Ebizzie Posts: 240
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    russia has more nukes than the entire world combined. they are backing Iran's desire to be able to have them. what happens if Iran and Russia team up against the US? if they did team up with Iran, that would be very scary for us all since russia is already close allies with china, and therefore also myanmar. does anyone else think this is a real possibility?

    i'm really worried with the iran situation on top of everthing else :(

    China is enjoying their newfound prosperity, I highly doubt you'd see them involved in any conflict unless it involved Taiwan or the mainland. Unless they've felt threatened they've consistently shown a tendency to be isolationists.

    Putin will be gone soon. Not that this gives me any sense of comfort, but I seriously question the direction he's taken his nation, who he's seemingly going to bed with. Ahmenijhad's meeting with Putin seemed purely out of spite, a very ballsy move that Putin knew would get the West squeamish. For a country that is finally getting back on it's feet economically, this was a dumb move imo.

    Iran would be nothing if not for the oil. Ahmenijhad is a smart dude, no doubt about it. Unfortunately his mind is corrupt and unpredictable. He's baiting us and we're biting. Attacking Iran is not worth the cost, both in potential lives lost and the geopolitical ramifications.

    I know it's been rehashed here repeatedly, but the sooner we lose our dependence on foreign oil the sooner we can stay out of these nutjobs' business. If there were ever a time for the U.S. to get back to its isolationist beginnings, now is the time.

    Oh yeah, and getting the world's favorite buddy Dubya out of office will go a long way in rebuilding alliances that, in this climate, are becoming increasingly important.
    "Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    810wmb wrote:
    we're the only people smart enough to use them correctly!

    actually we are the only ones that have used them...nothing smart about a nuke.
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    beachdweller wrote:
    actually we are the only ones that have used them...nothing smart about a nuke.


    wow, no kidding?!

    we've used them?

    holy crap!

    humor, look into it
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    stu gee wrote:
    There was slight sarcasm in my post.

    i'm owned by my last post

    damn
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    pushmepullme wrote:
    Surely if USA were that keen on banning nukes, they'd disarm all theirs?

    Or is this simply too logical for the gumps that run the USA?


    Because this isn't fucking kindergarten? Who gives a fuck about fairness? Should we give everyone on Earth one nuke in the interest of fairness?

    Nukes, like any other weapon advancement, is a Pandora's box. You can't undo it. You will never see them just dissappear. Although gas and germ warfare are outlawed, many powerful countries still keep a supply just in case. That doesn't mean we should allow more and more countries to make more. It only increases the odds of complete global destruction.

    Like someone said earlier, I'd rather be a hipocrite and stop the spread of nuclear arms than to just let anyone create their own. Stopping proliferation is the only rational tactic, not somehow destroying all the nukes in existence already. You can't unlearn how to make a nuke, and no country would be so foolish as to give up such a huge military advantage.

    Now go back to kindergarten and share your fucking cookies with everyone else and ignore the sad realities of the real world.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    MrSmith wrote:
    Because this isn't fucking kindergarten? Who gives a fuck about fairness? Should we give everyone on Earth one nuke in the interest of fairness?

    Nukes, like any other weapon advancement, is a Pandora's box. You can't undo it. You will never see them just dissappear. Although gas and germ warfare are outlawed, many powerful countries still keep a supply just in case. That doesn't mean we should allow more and more countries to make more. It only increases the odds of complete global destruction.

    Like someone said earlier, I'd rather be a hipocrite and stop the spread of nuclear arms than to just let anyone create their own. Stopping proliferation is the only rational tactic, not somehow destroying all the nukes in existence already. You can't unlearn how to make a nuke, and no country would be so foolish as to give up such a huge military advantage.

    Now go back to kindergarten and share your fucking cookies with everyone else and ignore the sad realities of the real world.

    i agree, was just too tired to type it...also, you prob said it better than i could
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat

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