When will the U.S. Finally Fall?

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what the fuck is your problem. this is a message board. you have an issue with my post then address it.

    The topic is about the Fall of America. I'm citing illiteracy as a possible sign that that is happening. Your post tied into that nicely.
    Thank you.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    The topic is about the Fall of America. I'm citing illiteracy as a possible sign that that is happening. Your post tied into that nicely.
    Thank you.

    and how so Dr?
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what the fuck is your problem. this is a message board. you have an issue with my post then address it.

    do you see the irony in your posts? ... you are always one to say something antagonizing and yet you're crying here? ... what gives?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    do you see the irony in your posts? ... you are always one to say something antagonizing and yet you're crying here? ... what gives?

    I admit when I'm wrong and will be happy to explain myself if I'm called out. and even if I antagonize I will explain why or apologize and move on.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    to be quite honest.........i am ready for another country to step up and be number 1.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    You forgot Britain, easily the biggest colonising force the world has ever known. Arguably, Britain really lost America because the bulk of the East India Company's troops were already deployed, penetrating India further and further throughout the 1770s: this globally expansionist army was spreading itself too thinly and had to stick to priorities en route to empire (which came a century later).

    That's a reductive view, but it can be backed up to a degree.

    America could learn much from how the British handled and mishandled colonial and post-colonial affairs.

    Jlew is under the impression that your post is a bit more than a "reductive view."
    This is America we're talking about, Fins. America, goddamit.
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  • SilverSeed
    SilverSeed Posts: 336
    I don't believe America will fall like the past powers. Globalization has meant there's too many hands crossing too many coffers. Our relative stance in the world is not as powerful as, say, after WWII but as long as capitalism is the game there will be a strong America.
    When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    Jlew is under the impression that your post is a bit more than a "reductive view."
    This is America we're talking about, Fins. America, goddamit.

    That's a reductive view, but it can be backed up to a degree.

    America could learn much from how the British handled and mishandled colonial and post-colonial affairs.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

    America could learn much from how the British handled and mishandled colonial and post-colonial affairs.

    hehe you said learn...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    That's a reductive view, but it can be backed up to a degree.

    America could learn much from how the British handled and mishandled colonial and post-colonial affairs.

    Yes? Does that not make you curious what may have happened back then? Do you know? What were the Brits doing around the world in those days? Were they doing it with their military? If so, to what extent? Do you know anything of the Zulus? Has Britain fallen? No, not exactly. So, what exactly was wrong with colonial and post-colonial Britain that America might learn from their current endevours in the Middle East? Hmmm.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    Yes? Does that not make you curious what may have happened back then? Do you know? What were the Brits doing around the world in those days? Were they doing it with their military? If so, to what extent? Do you know anything of the Zulus? Has Britain fallen? No, not exactly. So, what exactly was wrong with colonial and post-colonial Britain that America might learn from their current endevours in the Middle East? Hmmm.


    Britain didn't have the use of the air force for most of their domination. Now the States survive by the use of an air force.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    And back then, computers, were actually people called computers.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    America will fall when the village idiot gets elected and starts acting like a tough guy, and tries to change all the rules.

    Uhh... eh...oh well...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • rvp
    rvp Posts: 779
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    You forgot Britain, easily the biggest colonising force the world has ever known. Arguably, Britain really lost America because the bulk of the East India Company's troops were already deployed, penetrating India further and further throughout the 1770s: this globally expansionist army was spreading itself too thinly and had to stick to priorities en route to empire (which came a century later).

    That's a reductive view, but it can be backed up to a degree.

    America could learn much from how the British handled and mishandled colonial and post-colonial affairs.

    A dominant position in the world’s economy and politics doesn’t mean colonial power as I’m sure you know (There is Portugal and Spain to prove it –as paradigmatic cases, yes?-). I think colonialism in the traditional sense of the word has nothing to do with US power, also considering that US got to a dominant position (and maintained it) after WWII which, as many historians say, marked the end of the prior geopolitical organization of the world and the end of traditional colonialism.
    If you are talking strictly about colonialism (in the traditional sense of the word), I agree with you, probably Britain is the biggest colonising force the world has ever known, but the Roman Empire practically invented colonialism (they call it in some other way back then ;)) and surely US learned more about them than Britain (this is not a good thing imo) and so gave birth to neo-colonialism, cultural colonialism, world power as the world had never seen before, etc.
    Anyway, I don’t think we can go on talking in these terms (colonialism, rule of the world, etc.) during globalization times… is inaccurate and doesn’t reflect what is happening which is much more complex, yes?
    And to answer the original post, I really think US no longer rules the world and it has already fallen from it’s dominant position, and its fall will go on for quite some time but I don’t think any other country will take that position anymore… the world will organize itself very differently in days to come… (European Union, ALCA-FTAA-ZLEA, Mercosur, etc.)

    (Hope I made my point clear, not being English my mother language…;))
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    rvp wrote:
    A dominant position in the world’s economy and politics doesn’t mean colonial power as I’m sure you know (There is Portugal and Spain to prove it –as paradigmatic cases, yes?-). I think colonialism in the traditional sense of the word has nothing to do with US power, also considering that US got to a dominant position (and maintained it) after WWII which, as many historians say, marked the end of the prior geopolitical organization of the world and the end of traditional colonialism.
    If you are talking strictly about colonialism (in the traditional sense of the word), I agree with you, probably Britain is the biggest colonising force the world has ever known, but the Roman Empire practically invented colonialism (they call it in some other way back then ;)) and surely US learned more about them than Britain (this is not a good thing imo) and so gave birth to neo-colonialism, cultural colonialism, world power as the world had never seen before, etc.
    Anyway, I don’t think we can go on talking in these terms (colonialism, rule of the world, etc.) during globalization times… is inaccurate and doesn’t reflect what is happening which is much more complex, yes?
    And to answer the original post, I really think US no longer rules the world and it has already fallen from it’s dominant position, and its fall will go on for quite some time but I don’t think any other country will take that position anymore… the world will organize itself very differently in days to come… (European Union, ALCA-FTAA-ZLEA, Mercosur, etc.)

    (Hope I made my point clear, not being English my mother language…;))

    The current neo-con (Republican/corporation-backed) agenda is most certainly a classic example of the colonizing forces in history.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    The current neo-con (Republican-backed) agenda is most certainly a classic example of the colonizing forces in history.

    no its not. a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state. this is not happening anywhere.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no its not. a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state. this is not happening anywhere.

    We don't call them colonies anymore. Semantics.
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  • rvp
    rvp Posts: 779
    gue_barium wrote:
    The current neo-con (Republican/corporation-backed) agenda is most certainly a classic example of the colonizing forces in history.
    I don't think so, that is not colonialism, that is imperialism which is not the same ism and is worst...
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    rvp wrote:
    I don't think so, that is not colonialism, that is imperialism which is not the same ism and is much worst...
    I think, again, we're just dealing in semantics.
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  • TheVoiceInside
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    jlew24asu wrote:
    no its not. a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state. this is not happening anywhere.



    Its still happening. look up Puerto Rico.

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