China arming insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan

mammasan
mammasan Posts: 5,656
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/inring.htm
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    china really could be the next sleeping giant.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    I don't doubt that China is selling weapons to groups in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I am greatly troubled if this administration is making excuses for them in order to protect business interests.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I think what is plain here for those terrorists haters to see is: there is no war on terrorism. It's all rhetoric.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think what is plain here for those terrorists haters to see is: there is no war on terrorism. It's all rhetoric.
    well what should we do? cut off ties with the country? vote for sanctions? stop trading with them? go to war with them? or

    would you do the same exact thing as this current administration is doing...

    sit on your hands with them tied behind your back and do nothing?


    I thought so.
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    This isn't the first time a country has profited off a war that didn't involve them. When there's a buck to be made, it's going to be made. We need to think long and hard before deciding what to do about this.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well what should we do? cut off ties with the country? vote for sanctions? stop trading with them? go to war with them? or

    would you do the same exact thing as this current administration is doing...

    sit on your hands with them tied behind your back and do nothing?


    I thought so.

    Lol. jeez, Jlew. Who am I? Gandhi?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gue_barium wrote:
    Lol. jeez, Jlew. Who am I? Gandhi?
    but there is no war on terrorism right? LOL
  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    Let's turn China into a parking lot. Either that or pump more money into their economy so they can continue to buildup their military and push us around in 5 years. I think I''l have my children learn Chinese just to be on the safe side.
    War is Peace
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but there is no war on terrorism right? LOL

    There is an idealism that wars of all kinds are unnecessary. The "War" on "Terrorism" has been idealized as a necessity in the defense of our country. It's the most absurd piece of hogwash in the history of hogwash. There's big business at the root of all of it, whatever side you think you're on, and what you are told in the news and by your peers has nothing at all to do with the reality of what is business as usual for those that conduct these sort of affairs.

    It is the machinations of the Military Industrial Complex that prints the news in this country, and worldwide. They draw the lines, size us up, tell us who is good, and who is bad.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    ..So to say there is a war on terrorism in Iraq is like saying there is a war on war, and that obviously is not the case. "War is Good" in the minds of these people. "Terrorists are good", is what they think.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    ..So to say there is a war on terrorism in Iraq is like saying there is a war on war, and that obviously is not the case. "War is Good" in the minds of these people. "Terrorists are good", is what they think.

    War on War is a beautiful Wilco song. I won't quote it because I don't want to annoy Jlew. :D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    War on War is a beautiful Wilco song. I won't quote it because I don't want to annoy Jlew. :D

    I don't think he can get it through his head that people thrive on other people killing each other. And do it for a living. Over generations. Instigate, and promote it... fictionalize it...
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  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    china is the model for the future of the world.. dictatorship, slave labor, etc.. beware folks.. that's the plan by those who rule for all of us.

    2010 watch it go to fire
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but there is no war on terrorism right? LOL

    There is no war on terrorism. I hate to quote John Edwards but it's just a fucking bumper sticker. How can we be fighting a war against terrorism when we harbor and provide a safe haven for terrorists here, see Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carilles? How can we be fighting a war against terrorism when we continue to befriend and protect a country that finances terrorism? How can we be fighting a war agaisnt terrorism when we maje excuses for a country that arms the very people that our killing our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    The war on terror is this generation's war on drugs. It's a fucking slogan to get the country all nationalistic and onboard with the government's agenda.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    mammasan wrote:
    There is no war on terrorism. I hate to quote John Edwards but it's just a fucking bumper sticker. How can we be fighting a war against terrorism when we harbor and provide a safe haven for terrorists here, see Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carilles? How can we be fighting a war against terrorism when we continue to befriend and protect a country that finances terrorism? How can we be fighting a war agaisnt terrorism when we maje excuses for a country that arms the very people that our killing our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    The war on terror is this generation's war on drugs. It's a fucking slogan to get the country all nationalistic and onboard with the government's agenda.

    The war on terror is a blurry notion, the war on the axis of evil is quite clear. We know exactly who the enemy is. I think it's actually a blend of the two, fighting terror limited to the axis of evil (and the stereotypes that go with it, I think a bearded arab has a higher chance of being stopped at customs than other people).
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    Let's turn China into a parking lot. .

    But if you did that who would america borrow money from?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Kann wrote:
    The war on terror is a blurry notion, the war on the axis of evil is quite clear. We know exactly who the enemy is. I think it's actually a blend of the two, fighting terror limited to the axis of evil (and the stereotypes that go with it, I think a bearded arab has a higher chance of being stopped at customs than other people).

    Yes we know who the enemy is but what are we doing about those countries, specially the one's we have corporate ties with, that fund and arm these people. Until we decide to attack the problem on all front and not just the fronts that are convenient to us, the war on terrorism will be a fraud.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    The Chinese regime disgusts me. Their wanton disregard for human rights doesn't quite seem so alien anymore, though, since the U.S. has taken a few too many steps in that direction themselves.
    What's funny about the Chinese is how much they've taken to capitalism. The bottom line over there is money ... That, coupled with xenophobia, racism, and a complete disregard for both human life and the welfare of the planet's ecosystems makes for one toxic society. Again ... How many more steps before the U.S. starts to look this bad?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Yes we know who the enemy is but what are we doing about those countries, specially the one's we have corporate ties with, that fund and arm these people. Until we decide to attack the problem on all front and not just the fronts that are convenient to us, the war on terrorism will be a fraud.
    I just dont see it this way. if we attacked "terrorism" on ALL fronts it would be world war 3 across the globe. its just too wide spread. what we can do is attack and surpress the terrorists who attacked our country on 9/11. besides them, we have no choice but to look the other way. the world is a fucked up place.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I just dont see it this way. if we attacked "terrorism" on ALL fronts it would be world war 3 across the globe. its just too wide spread. what we can do is attack and surpress the terrorists who attacked our country on 9/11. besides them, we have no choice but to look the other way. the world is a fucked up place.

    I disagree. Also by attack I don't neccesarily mean with military force. We have nations who are funding the very same people that are hell bent on killing us. A few of those nations, Syria and Iran, we are attempting to deal with. The other nations though, like China and Saudi Arabia, we ignore because of the business interests we have in those countries. To me that shows that our government is clearly more interested in protecting corporate interests above human interests.

    As long as we only go after, wether it's with force or diplomacy, the parties that are convenient for us we will never make a dent in this battle. Actions like the invasion of Iraq was and is a big show for the public so the moron is Washington can turn around as say "See we are battling terrorism". By doing this they don't have to worry about disrupting the cash flow by dealing with real problem nations like Saudi Arabia and China.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul

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