Athiest Militants I

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, you need to expand your language. Sounds fundamentalist, to me.

    Language, inherently, is fundamental, however, there would be no art without expansion on language. There would be no Pearl Jam without this vital, creative loophole on what most think of as just words.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    I've explained what I mean when I use the word so that there won't be any confusion regarding my posts on this matter. If I mean something else, I will use another word.
    Sorry.
    I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

    Shoot me.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    baraka wrote:
    What is the scary image of the US (as it pertains to religion. I realize we project a 'scary' image in other areas)? I live in the states, so it's possible that I'm not aware of an image problem as it relates to religion. Is it religion in general or specifically christianity?

    I think to most Europeans the idea of creationism is absurd let alone teaching it in school. The United States is heavily influenced by religion, at least according to a lot of European atheists and I think they're right especially compared to European governments.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Collin wrote:
    I think to most Europeans the idea of creationism is absurd let alone teaching it in school. The United States is heavily influenced by religion, at least according to a lot of European atheists and I think they're right especially compared to European governments.

    We're not all that heavy on it. We just like to fuck and fight too much.
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Collin wrote:
    I think to most Europeans the idea of creationism is absurd let alone teaching it in school. The United States is heavily influenced by religion, at least according to a lot of European atheists and I think they're right especially compared to European governments.

    Creationism is absurd and I can assure you, as someone who attended southern public schools, that creationism was not taught, evolution was. There is NO way creationism will ever be taught in public schools here unless someone is in a religious studies class. Do you mean intelligent design? This is a bit different than creationism, although religious folks do subscribe to it. A lot of non-christians subscribe to this idea. The idea of teaching intelligent design along side of evolution is a hot topic here and a concern. I, personally, disagree with teaching it in science class, as I feel it falls in the category of philosophy, not science.
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    Kann wrote:
    What's funny with radical atheist such as dawkins and onfray is they don't propose anything.

    They don't have to. They're not trying to come up with an alternative method of faith or a whole new belief system.
    Kann wrote:
    They violently dismiss religion but don't have not much to offer otherwise.

    I think 'vehemently' works better than 'violently', but that's just semantics.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    baraka wrote:
    Creationism is absurd and I can assure you, as someone who attended southern public schools, that creationism was not taught, evolution was. There is NO way creationism will ever be taught in public schools here unless someone is in a religious studies class. Do you mean intelligent design? This is a bit different than creationism, although religious folks do subscribe to it. A lot of non-christians subscribe to this idea. The idea of teaching intelligent design along side of evolution is a hot topic here and a concern. I, personally, disagree with teaching it in science class, as I feel it falls in the category of philosophy, not science.

    Intelligent Design, yes. Most Europeans, I think, I have no data to back this up I'm just talking out of my own experience, would think ID is a pretty silly too.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    baraka wrote:
    Creationism is absurd and I can assure you, as someone who attended southern public schools, that creationism was not taught, evolution was. There is NO way creationism will ever be taught in public schools here unless someone is in a religious studies class. Do you mean intelligent design? This is a bit different than creationism, although religious folks do subscribe to it. A lot of non-christians subscribe to this idea. The idea of teaching intelligent design along side of evolution is a hot topic here and a concern. I, personally, disagree with teaching it in science class, as I feel it falls in the category of philosophy, not science.

    Probably. Funny times we find ourselves in. Science class should be science, I agree.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    baraka wrote:
    Do you mean intelligent design? This is a bit different than creationism, although religious folks do subscribe to it. .

    i'm curious in hearing your take on just what are the subtle differences between creationism and ID. ID, without question implies God, and "create" and "design" are synonyms. i'm not trying to start a fight, just respectfully asking out of curiosity. What are the differences, IYO? When you say "creationism" do you mean strict, literal, Biblical interpretation vs. a looser ID philosophy?

    How is one absurd, and the another not so much?
    Again, just curious.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cornnifer wrote:
    i'm curious in hearing your take on just what are the subtle differences between creationism and ID. ID, without question implies God, and "create" and "design" are synonyms. i'm not trying to start a fight, just respectfully asking out of curiosity. What are the differences, IYO? When you say "creationism" do you mean strict, literal, Biblical interpretation vs. a looser ID philosophy?

    How is one absurd, and the another not so much?
    Again, just curious.
    I'll answer that.
    ID suggests that Earth was put here for humankind.

    Silly arrogance is all I can say to that.
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  • RainDog
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    baraka wrote:
    Creationism is absurd and I can assure you, as someone who attended southern public schools, that creationism was not taught, evolution was. There is NO way creationism will ever be taught in public schools here unless someone is in a religious studies class. Do you mean intelligent design? This is a bit different than creationism, although religious folks do subscribe to it. A lot of non-christians subscribe to this idea. The idea of teaching intelligent design along side of evolution is a hot topic here and a concern. I, personally, disagree with teaching it in science class, as I feel it falls in the category of philosophy, not science.
    Intelligent Design is to Creationism as Geese are to Ganders.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'll answer that.
    ID suggests that Earth was put here for humankind.

    Silly arrogance is all I can say to that.
    How does this answer my question?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'll answer that.
    ID suggests that Earth was put here for humankind.

    Silly arrogance is all I can say to that.

    There's a depth and width to my breath while i post the anti-suggestion. Sure, we were made for this planet. Science shows there was life before our form took place here among...the other life. We are not masters of the universe, and neither is God.

    Or Satan, for that matter.
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  • gue_barium
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    cornnifer wrote:
    How does this answer my question?

    Pardon me...
    I'll let Baraka answer the subtleties.

    What exactly were you after, anyway?
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  • gue_barium
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    Oh shit.

    I just realized...

    I'm a fundamentlist Christian.


    I've been re-born, right here before your eyes.

    Wooopee!!

    Can I get laid now?
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    cornnifer wrote:
    i'm curious in hearing your take on just what are the subtle differences between creationism and ID. ID, without question implies God, and "create" and "design" are synonyms. i'm not trying to start a fight, just respectfully asking out of curiosity. What are the differences, IYO? When you say "creationism" do you mean strict, literal, Biblical interpretation vs. a looser ID philosophy?

    How is one absurd, and the another not so much?
    Again, just curious.

    My take is there are more than subtle differences if I understand the term 'creationism' correctly. My understanding of creationism is that it is taken directly from the old testament and interpreted literally. This is obviously incompatible with what has been proven to be correct. Intelligent design is a bit 'looser', as it tries to compliment what we do know scientifically. It doesn't apply specifically to one particular religion. All it is, really, is where folks 'see' the fingerprint of God in everything, ie science, mathematics, art, etc. It is true that there is so much out there that science can not explain. Someone like Dawkin extrapolates non-spiritual explanations for the unknown, where as someone more spiritually inclined might 'fill in the gaps' with something like intelligent design. I am no expert, of course.

    Also, absurd was a harsh word and I probably should have chosen my words more wisely. In my personal opinion, I see no 'truth' in creationism as I understand it. Intelligent design I find interesting, as long as it remains OUT of science class and is not used as a tool by the religious right to discredit evolution.
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    baraka wrote:
    My take is there are more than subtle differences if I understand the term 'creationism' correctly. My understanding of creationism is that it is taken directly from the old testament and interpreted literally. This is obviously incompatible with what has been proven to be correct. Intelligent design is a bit 'looser', as it tries to compliment what we do know scientifically. It doesn't apply specifically to one particular religion. All it is, really, is where folks 'see' the fingerprint of God in everything, ie science, mathematics, art, etc. It is true that there is so much out there that science can not explain. Someone like Dawkin extrapolates non-spiritual explanations for the unknown, where as someone more spiritually inclined might 'fill in the gaps' with something like intelligent design. I am no expert, of course.

    Also, absurd was a harsh word and I probably should have chosen my words more wisely. In my personal opinion, I see no 'truth' in creationism as I understand it. Intelligent design I find interesting, as long as it remains OUT of science class and is not used as a tool by the religious right to discredit evolution.
    Thats about what i thought you meant. Thanks for confirming :)
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Good God, you people bow down to a single word.


    And, you're the "smart" people on the board.
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    cornnifer wrote:
    Thats about what i thought you meant. Thanks for confirming :)

    Anytime :)
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    gue_barium wrote:
    Good God, you people bow down to a single word.


    And, you're the "smart" people on the board.

    Why are you so upset gue?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
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