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  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    baraka wrote:
    Creationism is absurd and I can assure you, as someone who attended southern public schools, that creationism was not taught, evolution was. There is NO way creationism will ever be taught in public schools here unless someone is in a religious studies class. Do you mean intelligent design? This is a bit different than creationism, although religious folks do subscribe to it. A lot of non-christians subscribe to this idea. The idea of teaching intelligent design along side of evolution is a hot topic here and a concern. I, personally, disagree with teaching it in science class, as I feel it falls in the category of philosophy, not science.
    Intelligent Design is to Creationism as Geese are to Ganders.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'll answer that.
    ID suggests that Earth was put here for humankind.

    Silly arrogance is all I can say to that.
    How does this answer my question?
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'll answer that.
    ID suggests that Earth was put here for humankind.

    Silly arrogance is all I can say to that.

    There's a depth and width to my breath while i post the anti-suggestion. Sure, we were made for this planet. Science shows there was life before our form took place here among...the other life. We are not masters of the universe, and neither is God.

    Or Satan, for that matter.

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cornnifer wrote:
    How does this answer my question?

    Pardon me...
    I'll let Baraka answer the subtleties.

    What exactly were you after, anyway?

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Oh shit.

    I just realized...

    I'm a fundamentlist Christian.


    I've been re-born, right here before your eyes.

    Wooopee!!

    Can I get laid now?

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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    cornnifer wrote:
    i'm curious in hearing your take on just what are the subtle differences between creationism and ID. ID, without question implies God, and "create" and "design" are synonyms. i'm not trying to start a fight, just respectfully asking out of curiosity. What are the differences, IYO? When you say "creationism" do you mean strict, literal, Biblical interpretation vs. a looser ID philosophy?

    How is one absurd, and the another not so much?
    Again, just curious.

    My take is there are more than subtle differences if I understand the term 'creationism' correctly. My understanding of creationism is that it is taken directly from the old testament and interpreted literally. This is obviously incompatible with what has been proven to be correct. Intelligent design is a bit 'looser', as it tries to compliment what we do know scientifically. It doesn't apply specifically to one particular religion. All it is, really, is where folks 'see' the fingerprint of God in everything, ie science, mathematics, art, etc. It is true that there is so much out there that science can not explain. Someone like Dawkin extrapolates non-spiritual explanations for the unknown, where as someone more spiritually inclined might 'fill in the gaps' with something like intelligent design. I am no expert, of course.

    Also, absurd was a harsh word and I probably should have chosen my words more wisely. In my personal opinion, I see no 'truth' in creationism as I understand it. Intelligent design I find interesting, as long as it remains OUT of science class and is not used as a tool by the religious right to discredit evolution.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    baraka wrote:
    My take is there are more than subtle differences if I understand the term 'creationism' correctly. My understanding of creationism is that it is taken directly from the old testament and interpreted literally. This is obviously incompatible with what has been proven to be correct. Intelligent design is a bit 'looser', as it tries to compliment what we do know scientifically. It doesn't apply specifically to one particular religion. All it is, really, is where folks 'see' the fingerprint of God in everything, ie science, mathematics, art, etc. It is true that there is so much out there that science can not explain. Someone like Dawkin extrapolates non-spiritual explanations for the unknown, where as someone more spiritually inclined might 'fill in the gaps' with something like intelligent design. I am no expert, of course.

    Also, absurd was a harsh word and I probably should have chosen my words more wisely. In my personal opinion, I see no 'truth' in creationism as I understand it. Intelligent design I find interesting, as long as it remains OUT of science class and is not used as a tool by the religious right to discredit evolution.
    Thats about what i thought you meant. Thanks for confirming :)
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Good God, you people bow down to a single word.


    And, you're the "smart" people on the board.

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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    cornnifer wrote:
    Thats about what i thought you meant. Thanks for confirming :)

    Anytime :)
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    gue_barium wrote:
    Good God, you people bow down to a single word.


    And, you're the "smart" people on the board.

    Why are you so upset gue?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    baraka wrote:
    Why are you so upset gue?

    I'm not upset, not even unsurprised at watching your creation of a post explaining your interpretation of "creationism."

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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm not upset, not even unsurprised at watching your creation of a post explaining your interpretation of "creationism."

    Lighten up, Francis.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cornnifer wrote:
    Lighten up, Francis.

    Well, jeez cornifer, this is the stuff the world is made of. I like your posts, I like Baraka's posts...I just want to state my peace, is all. I don't need to lighten up or darken down, or...

    Peace. :)

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