What's up with our food?
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I watched up until the guy said that farmers around the world have too much food and they don't know what to do with it.
I guess food shortages in Africa, India and North Korea don't count.
I don't mind frankenfood. Do you know who Norman Borlaug is?
His research with genetically modified food has led him to be credited with saving BILLIONS of lives. That's right, BILLIONS of people didn't starve to death because of one guy who nobody has ever even heard of.
Frankenfoods are unnecessary. We do not need cows to produce more milk, nor do we need higher yields of crops. If we want to end hunger in Africa etc, we have to look at where the food is going and how it is being distributed.
where are these BILLIONS of ppl that are now suddenly well fed???
you don't have a problem w/ puss in milk and consuming antibiotics when you don't need them? or a problem w/ fox firing reporters for refusing to lie in their report on the dangers of rbgh?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Oh ye of little faith Kabong. Here's a little bit on my buddy Norman, cause I guess it was beyond your capacity to google him.
"During the mid-20th century, Borlaug led the introduction of these high yielding varieties combined with modern agricultural production techniques to Mexico, Pakistan, and India. As a result, Mexico became a net exporter of wheat by 1963. Between 1965 and 1970, wheat yields nearly doubled in Pakistan and India, greatly improving the food security in those nations. These collective increases in yield have been labeled the Green Revolution, and Borlaug is often credited with saving over a billion people from starvation.[2] He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 in recognition of his contributions to world peace through increasing food supply."
Now as far as puss in milk and (of course) FOX news. There's a difference between modifying fruits and vegetables, and modifying animals.
I never said shit about stupid fuckin cows, why do you think I mentioned Borlaug?
Sourdough figured it out and had a great response, why don't you just follow his/her lead next time.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
ok, so again, where are these BILLIONS of ppl?
you didn't say anything about the milk, true, but it was the 2nd video....you said you had no problems w/ franken foods, which rbgh could be classified...my bad, i thought you'd actually watch the videos in a thread you replied in, i won't give you as much credit next time
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ok, i looked him and found this interesting
"The phrase "over a billion lives saved" is often cited by others in reference to Norman Borlaug's work (e.g. here, and [1]). According to Jan Douglas here, Executive Assistant to the World Prize Foundation, the source of this number is Gregg Easterbrook's 1997 article "Forgotten Benefactor of Humanity",<ref></ref> the article states that the "form of agriculture that Borlaug preaches may have prevented a billion deaths." "
MAY have does not equate to actual doing...so one guy says he MAY have and that means it's true, eh?
well, if Gregg Easterbrook says it then it must be true!!
LOL
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Laugh it up Mr. Giggles.
You're right it doesn't necessarily have to be BILLION.
Let's say the standard deviation could put it at 500 million.
But I guess that's still not enough for you huh?
Where are they?
Pakistan
India
Sub-Saharan Africa
"The form of agriculture that Borlaug preaches..."
You mean the form of agriculture that this guy was the Grandaddy of.
"A genetically modified food (Frankenfood) is a product developed from a DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT genetically modified organism (GMO) such as a crop plant, animal, or microorganism."
So what other animal does RBGH come from? Cause i thought it was naturally produced by cows, and RBGH is just a synthetic version of that.
So now Sourdough AND Ahnimus have it figured out, when are you comin on board?
I can't believe I got suckered into talking about COWS. Especially with you. Ugh.
Loerch, S. C. "Efficacy of Plastic Pot Scrubbers as a Replacement for Roughage in High- Concentrate Cattle Diets." J Anim Sci 69, no. 6 (1991): 2321-8.
Rankins, D. L., Jr., M. H. Poore, D. J. Capucille, and G. M. Rogers. "Recycled Poultry Bedding as Cattle Feed." Vet Clin North Am Food Anim Pract 18, no. 2 (2002): 253-66.
Tokarnia, C. H., J. Dobereiner, P. V. Peixoto, and S. S. Moraes. "Outbreak of Copper Poisoning in Cattle Fed Poultry Litter." Vet Hum Toxicol 42, no. 2 (2000): 92-5.
here's a few
or move them to where food can be grown and let them grow their own.
It's a trend these days.
thus the reason i found a remote part of the country and raise food naturally. when genetically altered pollen contaminates the food chain; you will be coming to me for food. so i bet everything on this.
you're not very consistent, are you?
you go from saying he saves BILLIONS of starving ppl, to a billion and now down to 500 million...are you gonne stay w/ this number?
500million would be good enough for me, i just don't buy it.
ok, that is where they used the franken food, now show me something saying billions, a billion or even 500 million ppl were saved from starving b/c of it. just b/c you grow more doesn't mean more ppl eat. the US produces more than enough food to feed everyone in the country, and yet there are plenty of starving ppl
"Increasing food production however is not synonymous with increasing food security, and is only part of a larger equation. For example, Amartya Sen’s work has found that large historic famines have not been caused by decreases in food supply, but by socioeconomic dynamics and a failure of public action. [16] There are several claims about how the Green Revolution may have decreased food security for some people. One such claim involves the shift of subsistence-oriented cropland to cropland oriented towards production of grain for export and/or animal feed. For example, the Green Revolution replaced much of the land used for pulses that fed Indian peasants for wheat, which did not make up a large portion of the peasant diet [17]. Also, the pesticides involved in rice production eliminated fish and weedy green vegetables from the diets of Asian rice farmers [18].
The transition from traditional agriculture in which inputs were generated on-farm to Green Revolution agriculture, which required the purchase of inputs, lead to the widespread establishment of rural credit institutions. Smaller farmers often went into debt, which in many cases result in a loss of rights to their farmland [20]. The increased level of mechanization on larger farms made possible by the Green Revolution removed an important source of employment from the rural economy [21]. Because wealthier farmers had better access to credit and land, the Green Revolution increased class disparities. Because some regions were able to adopt Green Revolution agriculture more readily than others (for political or geographical reasons), interregional economic disparities increased as well."
no, i don't, your boy gregg easterbrook <ya know, the guy who started teh billion starving saved claim> means, take it up w/ him
and it is not needed
what did sourdogh get?? that the problem isn't producing enough food, it's the distribution of it? no, i get that...that we waste tons of food that could feed the starving ppl? no, i get that, too...frankenfoods are unnecessary? that we don't need cows to produce more milk? we don't need higher yields of crops? to end hunger look at where the food is going, not how ot make more? no, i understand all that and agree...looks like i'm already on board, you, however don't seem to bo on board. you see how you contradict sourdough?
sourdough: frankenfood is unnecessary, we don't need it
you: i don't mind frankenfood, it's a good thing
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
how about, dijon vu?
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