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radiohead33 wrote:additionally a real liberal or left wing candidate wouldnt be pro war with iran or north korea.
and he certainly wouldnt refuse to pull all troops out by 2013.
Oh god, he's pro-war because he said he'd consider all options?
Pretty interesting how you interpret that...0 -
westsidepie wrote:I have done all my homework. I have probably been a democrat longer than you have been alive. I am also a member of Obama's base. I am a college professor. Yet, I cannot help feeling that Obama is like the rebound boyfriend. Everyone is just so sick of Bush, including me, that he is attractive simply for not being Bush. His policies are so vaguely defined that the only way I know what he stands for is most reports I read say he will basically do the same things as Hillary Clinton. He talks about big ideas, but what is his big idea? Kennedy has get us to the moon. I was a little kid then, but the vision he put forth had an enormous impact on every aspect of American life. One of the biggest problems facing our country is finding a new energy source. It is not enough to say "we have to end our dependence on foreign oil." Hell, McCain says that. How will we accomplish this? We need someone who will present a challenge like Kennedy did with the space program. Tom Friedman has presented such a plan. The longer I live the more I think South Park had it right: our only choice will be between a douche and turd.
this isn't so vague:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdfif you wanna be a friend of mine
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chiefojibwa wrote:well, uh, he didn't speak out because he was not a senator at the time. so he did not vote against the war resolution either. but he made his position against the war known at the time.
yeah, he didn't vote for it b/c he wasn't in the senate yet (and to his credit it probably would've been in the 40+% of the votes he missed) but he has voted to continually fund it AND to confirm condi rice as sec of state.
he also said not too long agoobama wrote:"That's part of the reason I've been a critic from the start of the war in Iraq. It's not that I was opposed to war, it's that I felt that we had a war that we had not finished."standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0 -
cornnifer wrote:Pay attention. i'll type slowly. Obama has done well. He has achieved some level of success. (He is about to achieve even more success by becoming the next president. Choke on it.) He wasn't born into that priveledge, however. You have no point. Next point; Clarence Thomas is a conservative republican so there is no sense trying to draw similarities based on melanin alone. Next, and i'm now reiterating what i've already stated, Obama is seeking the presidency of the united states of America. Not the Black States of America. Seen? He isn't seeking to speak just for his "race" but for all US citizens. Does that make sense to you? Proabably not. Jeremiah Wright is not running for president. He can say whatever he wants to. Obama has acknowledged, very well, the source of such anger. He seeks to transcend that. Get it? Probably not.
tell it to this guy
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JfuHT9vsxPEstandin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0 -
er...er...umm.ummm...
uhhh..uhhh...uhhmmm but...
CHANGE!
...just put all your blind trust and hope in an increasingly vague politician and believe.
Awesome...woo...full support.. yeah!Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:er...er...umm.ummm...
uhhh..uhhh...uhhmmm but...
CHANGE!
...just put all your blind trust and hope in an increasingly vague politician and believe.
Awesome...woo...full support.. yeah!
hey, man, he like....doesn't want to throw the troops like under the bus and stuff, ya know??
his plastic signs says it's change i can believe instandin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0 -
El_Kabong wrote:hey, man, he like....doesn't want to throw the troops like under the bus and stuff, ya know??
his plastic signs says it's change i can believe in
Oh well fuck , if it's on a plastic sign it has to be true...
what was I thinking?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Who's got the best plan for Iraq?
Iran?
Somebody lay it out because I've been on ALL the candidates websites and I have yet to read any real plan layed out for Iraq. Not Nader, Not McCain, Not Paul, Not Barr.
this is Obama's plan straight from his site
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
here's the best I could find on Nader's site
..no plan here at all
http://www.votenader.org/issues/middle-east/
here's Paul...he's gonna make a plan when he gets in office
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/iraq/
here's McCain.. he plans on staying
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/fdeb03a7-30b0-4ece-8e34-4c7ea83f11d8.htm
these are all from the campaign sites so you people can read them and get your facts straight because most of you are just talking stupid shit you don't know....the Minions0 -
El_Kabong wrote:hey, man, he like....doesn't want to throw the troops like under the bus and stuff, ya know??
his plastic signs says it's change i can believe in
you should spend some time on this site so you aren't so misinformed
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/the Minions0 -
Strangest Tribe wrote:you should spend some time on this site so you aren't so misinformed
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
i have read his site and quoted it quite often, like when i broke down his health care plan (to which no one could reply to)
his site says he will leave troops in iraq after the withdrawl, look it up
his site says he only wants 25% renewable energy by 2025 and is pushing coal and nuclear energy
he will still use private contractors like blackwater, right?
he will do as little as he can for the ppl while being sure to look out for his campaign donors like the nuclear industrystandin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0 -
El_Kabong wrote:i have read his site and quoted it quite often, like when i broke down his health care plan (to which no one could reply to)
his site says he will leave troops in iraq after the withdrawl, look it up
his site says he only wants 25% renewable energy by 2025 and is pushing coal and nuclear energy
he will still use private contractors like blackwater, right?
he will do as little as he can for the ppl while being sure to look out for his campaign donors like the nuclear industry0 -
ryan198 wrote:That's kind of funny 25% renewable energy by 2025...unless he plays All-Time QB how could he possibly see that through.
exactly my point, his site is full of shit, he plans to do nothing of substance other than what the status quo dictates
from his site
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0 -
El_Kabong wrote:exactly my point, his site is full of shit, he plans to do nothing of substance other than what the status quo dictates
from his site
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
first you say he doesn't have a plan,
then when you go to his website and it's all there for you to look at you criticize it.
yet you are for Nader, who doesn't even have any plans layed out on his website. All that Nader has done is point out all the problems (duh?) but he doesn't have any plans to correct the problems.
How big a hypocrite can you be when you bash Obamas plans and your guy doesn't even have any plans????the Minions0 -
El_Kabong wrote:exactly my point, his site is full of shit, he plans to do nothing of substance other than what the status quo dictates
from his site
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.0 -
Strangest Tribe wrote:first you say he doesn't have a plan,
then when you go to his website and it's all there for you to look at you criticize it.
yet you are for Nader, who doesn't even have any plans layed out on his website. All that Nader has done is point out all the problems (duh?) but he doesn't have any plans to correct the problems.
How big a hypocrite can you be when you bash Obamas plans and your guy doesn't even have any plans????
Nader doesn't have to have a website full of centerist/half assed plans....know why?
because he has decades of actual actions to back up his platform. It's pretty obvious where he stands. Just visit his wikipedia page and scroll through his history and you'll see where he stands.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7_O3MNJcls8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=buMaW34iahs&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_nader
Not to mention that I don't like what I see on Obama's site, along with his voting record and extremely minimal accomplishments while in the senate in which time he has managed to not even make it to 40% of the votes. I am so unimpressed and he has only managed to move even further away from being
close to anything I would consider worth voting for.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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ryan198 wrote:I will def. vote Nader, but isn't it sad when Obama is our best realistic hope for a better tommorow?
Yes, it is...I really thought this election year we would have started to see some really progressive politics gain ground and exposure and that people would all be so fed up with our foreign policy, healthcare system, the energy crisis, the
neverending spread of corruption in the gov't that they would DEMAND better....but nope, people are all too happy to just settle for a D instead of an R yet again.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde0 -
radiohead33 wrote:he has legitimate problems with americas race problem, yet talks little about race, poverty, the inner city, drugs and all that? Why?
He makes jokes about not being able to get a cab in NY because of his skin, yet refuses to talk about race in any other way than the big speech he gave earlier this year. I dont get it.
His wife talks about being happy for the first time with her country, I can understand completely what she means. But neither he nor she discuss deeply what was meant.
This is what I dont like about obama. Everyone acts like his is JFK or RFK or Jesus. He is none of them. All those people had big ideas and delivered. They werent hype.
To have problems with americas race problem is legitimate and justified. To speak vaguely on it, and act like you plan on doing something grand about it in inescusable.
RFK if elected would have been the first radical president. he would have ended vietnam. He would have been a friend and supporter of the poor and downtrodden. He would have made race a huge issue to debate and repair. There isnt a question about that.
With obama, you dont know. Is he for Iraq, or not. Will he get them out by 2013 or not. Will he attack Iran?
First I'd like to say I'm not voting for Obama unless he makes some major changes which I don't expect him to do. He is a centrist so what, many politicians are.
I'm not so sure how much of a radical Presidet RFK was going to be and he wasn't always an anti-war politician as many may think. He was not much different than any other pro-war politician at that time. Here's an excerpt from one of his speaches back in 66'AMY GOODMAN: We take a look now at Robert F. Kennedy’s position on the Vietnam War and how it changed. As President Kennedy’s Attorney General, Robert Kennedy took part in the high-level discussions that led to his brother’s massive escalation of the US attack on Vietnam.
In a Democracy Now! exclusive, I want to turn to a never-before-broadcast address by Robert F. Kennedy on February 14, 1966. Speaking to students at St. Lawrence University in Canton, New York, Kennedy was asked about his position on the ongoing US attack on Vietnam. His answer was decidedly pro-war.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY: I’ll give you what I think myself, as far as Vietnam is concerned, and then I’d be glad to answer any other questions in more detail about it. First, I think that we have a commitment in Vietnam that we have to keep. Now, whether that commitment, as George Kennan said, should have been made originally, whether we should have been in this position, become involved in this kind of a position ten years ago, eight years ago, five years ago or three years ago, the fact is that we are now there, and a commitment has been made by several presidents of the United States and supported by the American people. I think we have to keep that commitment. So, therefore, I am not in favor of unilaterally withdrawing from South Vietnam. I’m in favor of remaining there and keeping the commitment that we have. I think it would be disastrous to pull out of Vietnam at the present time.
Secondly, I’m in favor of trying to find a peaceful solution to the problem of Vietnam. I don’t think that there is any chance of finding that peaceful solution at the present time, although I’m in favor of making every kind of effort to do so and to demonstrate to our own people and around the world that we are interested in finding a peaceful solution.
But I think that Hanoi and the Viet Cong and the National Front and the Chinese are convinced that the United States is going to turn and run from Vietnam. They felt that the French were going to do it in 1954. There was dissension within France. They see the same kind of dissension within the United States. They think that there—as General Giap said in his speech last spring, the Americans are going to say, “Bring the boys home for—by Christmas,” that they aren’t going to remain there, that we don’t have the tenacity or the will to remain, so that therefore they think that the war is going in their direction and that they will—there’s no sense in any sitting down to any negotiating discussions, that they’ve had negotiations before and discussions before and sat down at a conference table, and they felt they’ve always come out badly. They thought they would do much better in the 1955 discussions and felt that they were betrayed by Molotov, so that they don’t wish to come back to a conference table, because they think the United States will get out, that they think they can win the war in the South.
I think that our greatest problem, therefore, is to prove that we’re going to remain in Vietnam. Now, that war, that struggle in Vietnam, therefore, in my judgment, is going to be costly, is going to be long, is going to be much bloodier than it is at the present time, and we’re going to have a commitment of a great number of more troops than we have at the present time. I would think that the estimate of 400,000 troops by the end of the year is probably accurate and the fact that it will grow even more next year, and the casualties will be considerably higher than they are at the present time, as far as Americans.
You can read/listen to more from Democracy Now.....Democracy Now! Special: Robert F. Kennedy’s Life and Legacy 40 Years After His Assassination
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Strangest Tribe wrote:first you say he doesn't have a plan,
then when you go to his website and it's all there for you to look at you criticize it.
yet you are for Nader, who doesn't even have any plans layed out on his website. All that Nader has done is point out all the problems (duh?) but he doesn't have any plans to correct the problems.
How big a hypocrite can you be when you bash Obamas plans and your guy doesn't even have any plans????
i posted you a link to my blog w/ my break down of obama's health plan and details of both nader's and kucinich's and....you had jack shit to say...interestingstandin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0 -
I remember Nader writing about how he was going to tax things we don't like to pay for a Universal Health care plan-things like pollution and stock market trading. Seems that he does have a plan, and its very simple.
Would be nice to hear a simple breakdown of Obama's plan, but I'm guessing that's not possible.
Think Einstein said if you can't explain something in simple terms you obviously don't know enough about it.0 -
Commy wrote:I remember Nader writing about how he was going to tax things we don't like to pay for a Universal Health care plan-things like pollution and stock market trading. Seems that he does have a plan, and its very simple.
Would be nice to hear a simple breakdown of Obama's plan, but I'm guessing that's not possible.
Think Einstein said if you can't explain something in simple terms you obviously don't know enough about it.
he already knows this b/c i already gave him a link w/ nader's plan compared to obama's. a 3.5% payroll tax (which is a smaller % than i currently pay for shitty health care coverage now) plus a tax on pollution and <1% on stock transactionsstandin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0
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