i have read his site and quoted it quite often, like when i broke down his health care plan (to which no one could reply to)
his site says he will leave troops in iraq after the withdrawl, look it up
his site says he only wants 25% renewable energy by 2025 and is pushing coal and nuclear energy
he will still use private contractors like blackwater, right?
he will do as little as he can for the ppl while being sure to look out for his campaign donors like the nuclear industry
That's kind of funny 25% renewable energy by 2025...unless he plays All-Time QB how could he possibly see that through. Besides after 4-8 years, don't you think the right leaning dems and reps, will be losing enough money (and rightfully so given the state of our country) to put together a massive campaign to get a 'real' (sarcasm) candidate that will protect the rich white people who benefit from the way the system is set up?
Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
first you say he doesn't have a plan,
then when you go to his website and it's all there for you to look at you criticize it.
yet you are for Nader, who doesn't even have any plans layed out on his website. All that Nader has done is point out all the problems (duh?) but he doesn't have any plans to correct the problems.
How big a hypocrite can you be when you bash Obamas plans and your guy doesn't even have any plans????
Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
I will def. vote Nader, but isn't it sad when Obama is our best realistic hope for a better tommorow?
then when you go to his website and it's all there for you to look at you criticize it.
yet you are for Nader, who doesn't even have any plans layed out on his website. All that Nader has done is point out all the problems (duh?) but he doesn't have any plans to correct the problems.
How big a hypocrite can you be when you bash Obamas plans and your guy doesn't even have any plans????
Nader doesn't have to have a website full of centerist/half assed plans....know why?
because he has decades of actual actions to back up his platform. It's pretty obvious where he stands. Just visit his wikipedia page and scroll through his history and you'll see where he stands.
Not to mention that I don't like what I see on Obama's site, along with his voting record and extremely minimal accomplishments while in the senate in which time he has managed to not even make it to 40% of the votes. I am so unimpressed and he has only managed to move even further away from being
close to anything I would consider worth voting for.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I will def. vote Nader, but isn't it sad when Obama is our best realistic hope for a better tommorow?
Yes, it is...I really thought this election year we would have started to see some really progressive politics gain ground and exposure and that people would all be so fed up with our foreign policy, healthcare system, the energy crisis, the
neverending spread of corruption in the gov't that they would DEMAND better....but nope, people are all too happy to just settle for a D instead of an R yet again.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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he has legitimate problems with americas race problem, yet talks little about race, poverty, the inner city, drugs and all that? Why?
He makes jokes about not being able to get a cab in NY because of his skin, yet refuses to talk about race in any other way than the big speech he gave earlier this year. I dont get it.
His wife talks about being happy for the first time with her country, I can understand completely what she means. But neither he nor she discuss deeply what was meant.
This is what I dont like about obama. Everyone acts like his is JFK or RFK or Jesus. He is none of them. All those people had big ideas and delivered. They werent hype.
To have problems with americas race problem is legitimate and justified. To speak vaguely on it, and act like you plan on doing something grand about it in inescusable.
RFK if elected would have been the first radical president. he would have ended vietnam. He would have been a friend and supporter of the poor and downtrodden. He would have made race a huge issue to debate and repair. There isnt a question about that.
With obama, you dont know. Is he for Iraq, or not. Will he get them out by 2013 or not. Will he attack Iran?
First I'd like to say I'm not voting for Obama unless he makes some major changes which I don't expect him to do. He is a centrist so what, many politicians are.
I'm not so sure how much of a radical Presidet RFK was going to be and he wasn't always an anti-war politician as many may think. He was not much different than any other pro-war politician at that time. Here's an excerpt from one of his speaches back in 66'
AMY GOODMAN: We take a look now at Robert F. Kennedy’s position on the Vietnam War and how it changed. As President Kennedy’s Attorney General, Robert Kennedy took part in the high-level discussions that led to his brother’s massive escalation of the US attack on Vietnam.
In a Democracy Now! exclusive, I want to turn to a never-before-broadcast address by Robert F. Kennedy on February 14, 1966. Speaking to students at St. Lawrence University in Canton, New York, Kennedy was asked about his position on the ongoing US attack on Vietnam. His answer was decidedly pro-war.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY: I’ll give you what I think myself, as far as Vietnam is concerned, and then I’d be glad to answer any other questions in more detail about it. First, I think that we have a commitment in Vietnam that we have to keep. Now, whether that commitment, as George Kennan said, should have been made originally, whether we should have been in this position, become involved in this kind of a position ten years ago, eight years ago, five years ago or three years ago, the fact is that we are now there, and a commitment has been made by several presidents of the United States and supported by the American people. I think we have to keep that commitment. So, therefore, I am not in favor of unilaterally withdrawing from South Vietnam. I’m in favor of remaining there and keeping the commitment that we have. I think it would be disastrous to pull out of Vietnam at the present time.
Secondly, I’m in favor of trying to find a peaceful solution to the problem of Vietnam. I don’t think that there is any chance of finding that peaceful solution at the present time, although I’m in favor of making every kind of effort to do so and to demonstrate to our own people and around the world that we are interested in finding a peaceful solution.
But I think that Hanoi and the Viet Cong and the National Front and the Chinese are convinced that the United States is going to turn and run from Vietnam. They felt that the French were going to do it in 1954. There was dissension within France. They see the same kind of dissension within the United States. They think that there—as General Giap said in his speech last spring, the Americans are going to say, “Bring the boys home for—by Christmas,” that they aren’t going to remain there, that we don’t have the tenacity or the will to remain, so that therefore they think that the war is going in their direction and that they will—there’s no sense in any sitting down to any negotiating discussions, that they’ve had negotiations before and discussions before and sat down at a conference table, and they felt they’ve always come out badly. They thought they would do much better in the 1955 discussions and felt that they were betrayed by Molotov, so that they don’t wish to come back to a conference table, because they think the United States will get out, that they think they can win the war in the South.
I think that our greatest problem, therefore, is to prove that we’re going to remain in Vietnam. Now, that war, that struggle in Vietnam, therefore, in my judgment, is going to be costly, is going to be long, is going to be much bloodier than it is at the present time, and we’re going to have a commitment of a great number of more troops than we have at the present time. I would think that the estimate of 400,000 troops by the end of the year is probably accurate and the fact that it will grow even more next year, and the casualties will be considerably higher than they are at the present time, as far as Americans.
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
then when you go to his website and it's all there for you to look at you criticize it.
yet you are for Nader, who doesn't even have any plans layed out on his website. All that Nader has done is point out all the problems (duh?) but he doesn't have any plans to correct the problems.
How big a hypocrite can you be when you bash Obamas plans and your guy doesn't even have any plans????
i posted you a link to my blog w/ my break down of obama's health plan and details of both nader's and kucinich's and....you had jack shit to say...interesting
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I remember Nader writing about how he was going to tax things we don't like to pay for a Universal Health care plan-things like pollution and stock market trading. Seems that he does have a plan, and its very simple.
Would be nice to hear a simple breakdown of Obama's plan, but I'm guessing that's not possible.
Think Einstein said if you can't explain something in simple terms you obviously don't know enough about it.
I remember Nader writing about how he was going to tax things we don't like to pay for a Universal Health care plan-things like pollution and stock market trading. Seems that he does have a plan, and its very simple.
Would be nice to hear a simple breakdown of Obama's plan, but I'm guessing that's not possible.
Think Einstein said if you can't explain something in simple terms you obviously don't know enough about it.
he already knows this b/c i already gave him a link w/ nader's plan compared to obama's. a 3.5% payroll tax (which is a smaller % than i currently pay for shitty health care coverage now) plus a tax on pollution and <1% on stock transactions
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Obama doesn't talk about race? Seriously? He spent all of March and April talking about race non-stop. He gave one of the greatest speeches this country has ever seen in regard to race.
Michelle has answered that claim hundreds of times. A 15 second google news search will answer that for you.
If you don't know where he stands on Iraq or Iran, than you haven't done your civic duty to be an informed voter.
lol...well if you have...tell us.. whats is he gonna do with iraq and Iran
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exactly my point, his site is full of shit, he plans to do nothing of substance other than what the status quo dictates
from his site
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
first you say he doesn't have a plan,
then when you go to his website and it's all there for you to look at you criticize it.
yet you are for Nader, who doesn't even have any plans layed out on his website. All that Nader has done is point out all the problems (duh?) but he doesn't have any plans to correct the problems.
How big a hypocrite can you be when you bash Obamas plans and your guy doesn't even have any plans????
Nader doesn't have to have a website full of centerist/half assed plans....know why?
because he has decades of actual actions to back up his platform. It's pretty obvious where he stands. Just visit his wikipedia page and scroll through his history and you'll see where he stands.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7_O3MNJcls8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=buMaW34iahs&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_nader
Not to mention that I don't like what I see on Obama's site, along with his voting record and extremely minimal accomplishments while in the senate in which time he has managed to not even make it to 40% of the votes. I am so unimpressed and he has only managed to move even further away from being
close to anything I would consider worth voting for.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yes, it is...I really thought this election year we would have started to see some really progressive politics gain ground and exposure and that people would all be so fed up with our foreign policy, healthcare system, the energy crisis, the
neverending spread of corruption in the gov't that they would DEMAND better....but nope, people are all too happy to just settle for a D instead of an R yet again.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
First I'd like to say I'm not voting for Obama unless he makes some major changes which I don't expect him to do. He is a centrist so what, many politicians are.
I'm not so sure how much of a radical Presidet RFK was going to be and he wasn't always an anti-war politician as many may think. He was not much different than any other pro-war politician at that time. Here's an excerpt from one of his speaches back in 66'
You can read/listen to more from Democracy Now.....Democracy Now! Special: Robert F. Kennedy’s Life and Legacy 40 Years After His Assassination
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
i posted you a link to my blog w/ my break down of obama's health plan and details of both nader's and kucinich's and....you had jack shit to say...interesting
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Would be nice to hear a simple breakdown of Obama's plan, but I'm guessing that's not possible.
Think Einstein said if you can't explain something in simple terms you obviously don't know enough about it.
he already knows this b/c i already gave him a link w/ nader's plan compared to obama's. a 3.5% payroll tax (which is a smaller % than i currently pay for shitty health care coverage now) plus a tax on pollution and <1% on stock transactions
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
lol...well if you have...tell us.. whats is he gonna do with iraq and Iran
which part do you agree with?