Should Eddie Vedder, Bruce Springsteen and the like take Bill O Reillys advice?

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  • writersu
    writersu Posts: 1,867
    muppet wrote:
    You know what? I'm not even sure what that expression actually means. It's come to the point where I'm just trying to find the most inventive way of insultiung the man.


    I am just teasing you........I really do not have any loyalty to the man at all and could not care less....

    I was just playing on your words........
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  • muppet
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    writersu wrote:
    I am just teasing you........I really do not have any loyalty to the man at all and could not care less....

    I was just playing on your words........

    Sorry, my comment wasn't meant to appear rude.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    mammasan wrote:
    I'm pretty sure if artists like Vedder and Springsteen, or even actors like Sean Penn, had political beliefs closely resembling O'Reilly's he would not have a problem with them speaking out.

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    Exactly. This is the crux of the matter right here. If these and other celebrity types agreed with O'Reilly, he'd call them heroes and beg to suck their cocks live on the Factor. They don't, however, so they should shut up. What a douche.
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  • blackredyellow
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    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    That's what I was wondering. What makes Bill O'reilly any more qualified or deserving to spout off his opinions than anyone else?

    He was on Inside Edition... duh...



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  • Flannel Shirt
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    muppet wrote:
    I think some of you have missed my point. I don't have a problem with artists saying their political beliefs - when it comes to Vedder and Springsteen, I believe what they say and I support them. But then I'm sure that so does everyone else in the concert. Isn't that just preaching to the choir?

    I think O Reillys point - and you can shit on him as much as you want, and I'd probably agree with you - is that if artists such as Springsteen and Vedder are going to state their political beliefs and intentions (and bearing in mind that they command a huge audience), then they have a responsibilty to talk to people who may not neccesairly agree with what they think. Debate is healthy, and probably much more productive than having a rant against Bush at a concert where nobody can really challenge you.

    As I said, I'd probably class myself as liberal, and although I don't claim to know a tremendous amount about the ins and outs of US politics, I do generally agree with people such as Vedder and Springsteen (although I made that decision by myself). But, to use a cliche, if they want to talk the talk then they should walk the walk. Get out of their comfort zone, that's what I say.

    O Reilly is a cunt of the highest order, but it would certianly be interesting to see Vedder take him on like Michael Moore did (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=trOdCU6aZOg).
    Dude, you posted here. Do you read posts here? This is a Pearl Jam message pit and there are a lot of people who do not agree with the bands politics. I wouldnt agree that Ed's political statements are always preaching to the choir. There have been many threads with people that disagree with his politics and would like him to shut up. Thank God he doesnt.

    What did Bruce say that he cannot back up? We have tortured people? Our govt admitted we did. That the govt wiretapped phones? They said they did. No lawyers? Gitmo ring a bell?

    Besides, this is his TOP FUCKING STORY that night? Are you kidding me? What Bruce Springsteen said on 60 minutes is his top story?

    But its OK for this host of Inside Edition to blanketly say that these guys are just saying things they hear from people around them? He is assuming they have not done their homework, they dont read, they havent researched the issues, they havent spoken to people directly involved? Hypocrisy of the highest order.
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  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    O'Reilly is such a self-righteous prick. It's irresponsible not to come on his show? My, someone thinks quite highly of himself. It's been shown time and again that O'Reilly has zero journalistic credibility, which is why he brings on a cowboy named Kinky.

    Oh and to the OP, I don't think O'Reilly makes any kind of interesting point at all. Simply getting indignant because others are expressing beliefs contrary to your own is not making an interesting point.
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    If I ran into O'Reilly in a back alley, I would knock him out! Seriously.
  • writersu
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    muppet wrote:
    Sorry, my comment wasn't meant to appear rude.

    no, you weren't being rude (to me) at all. I was just kidding around with you. please don't think otherwise.......

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  • muppet
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    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    Dude, you posted here. Do you read posts here? This is a Pearl Jam message pit and there are a lot of people who do not agree with the bands politics. I wouldnt agree that Ed's political statements are always preaching to the choir. There have been many threads with people that disagree with his politics and would like him to shut up. Thank God he doesnt.

    What did Bruce say that he cannot back up? We have tortured people? Our govt admitted we did. That the govt wiretapped phones? They said they did. No lawyers? Gitmo ring a bell?

    Besides, this is his TOP FUCKING STORY that night? Are you kidding me? What Bruce Springsteen said on 60 minutes is his top story?

    But its OK for this host of Inside Edition to blanketly say that these guys are just saying things they hear from people around them? He is assuming they have not done their homework, they dont read, they havent researched the issues, they havent spoken to people directly involved? Hypocrisy of the highest order.

    Hey, no need to get hostile here. This was never meant to be about how much Bill O Reilly is an arsehole, becuase I think that's obvious. I'm not talking about artists such as Springsteen or Vedder going on the "O Reilly Factor" specifically - in fact, that's probably a bad idea becuase the man never lets anyone get a word in. I was talking more generally: I'm sure there are other formats that these artists could use to debate, that aren't neccesairly in their 'comfort zone.' And why not? They've obviously got a lot to say, and are intelligent enough. I'm not saying it's an obligation or anything.

    And I've found that there are a lot of "shut up and sing" people support the bands politics, but they just want to keep the politics and the music seperate. Which is understandable, and I agree to some extent. I found it cringeworthy that Vedder moulded "Bettermans" meaning into something about Americas relationship with George Bush. But it's his song, so I guess he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. But for Vedder to completely to shut up completley and turn Pearl Jam into another boring, lifeless left over-band-from-the-90s act? Definately not. Thank God indeed.
    jubilairesjl wrote:
    Eddie and Bruce have a right to express themselves. If you don't like it when they say something about their beliefs then don't go to the concert. Plain and simple, it is the essence of a free market.

    I'm not disputing that in the slightest.
  • LeftThePorch315
    LeftThePorch315 Posts: 56
    To some time to write some words about everything you folks are discussing. I posted this in "Words and Music... Communication", but I think it fits here.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=5361178#post5361178

    I look forward to your responses. Thank you for your time.

    Oh... and Bill O'Rielly is a fascist douchebag.

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  • Cosmo
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    Ronald Reagan and Arnold Swartzenegger were entertainers. Does Bill O'Rilley think those two guys should have just shut the fuck up and act? What about his buddy, Dennis Miller?
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  • unsung
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    I go to concerts to forget about things like politics. The last thing I want to hear is the band preaching to me about some politician whom I don't believe in. Save it.
  • DixieN
    DixieN Posts: 351
    Since O'Reilly is an entertainer himself, shouldn't he take his own advice and shut up? All he does is express his opinions for a living. Hypocrite.
  • Commy
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    muppet wrote:
    Was having this discussion in the Porch. Artists like Eddie Vedder and Bruce Springsteen make a point of expressing their political beliefs at concerts and the like, but good old Bill O Reilly thinks thats irresponsible - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gD0PTQveMbA

    What do you think? I hate O Reilly - he's a loudmouth bully. But I think he raises an interesting point.
    The whole idea of this forum is based on a quote from Howard Zinn, "you can't be neutral on a moving train." -meaning, if you don't speak out, if you do nothing, you are actually supporting the status quo. So it is actually the exact opposite of what O'reilly says, artist have a responsibility to speak out. With so many things wrong with this country today it would be irresponsible for someone to have that platform celebrities have and not use it.
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    Hmmm

    an extremist asshole with a mic calling someone else an extremist asshole with a mic...

    classic.
  • InHiding19
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    muppet wrote:
    Was having this discussion in the Porch. Artists like Eddie Vedder and Bruce Springsteen make a point of expressing their political beliefs at concerts and the like, but good old Bill O Reilly thinks thats irresponsible - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gD0PTQveMbA

    What do you think? I hate O Reilly - he's a loudmouth bully. But I think he raises an interesting point.

    fuck bill and all shows like that
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  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    I like what Ed said at the Berkeley II show on the 8th....should we only allow those that have a selfish interest like corporate executives, wall street, the military industrial complex represent their views, or maybe someone that has traveled the world the last 17 years, traveled the country extensively, talks with people from all walks of life and cultural back ground just might have somewhat of a better perspective to speak from?

    Saying Ed should be quiet, is the same as telling the average American to be quiet.


    I know exactly what Bill O'Reilly needs to due, but I would get in trouble for stating it, lol
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  • meme
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    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    As long as people keep buying tickets for the show, I think the artist can use their constitutional right in any way they want.


    Well, I'd hope they'd retain the right even if people stopped buying tickets for the show :p
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  • beachdweller
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    meme wrote:
    Well, I'd hope they'd retain the right even if people stopped buying tickets for the show :p

    acutally ask of and challenge Ed to keep speaking out, as if he won't, but I basically said it would be a far worse place to live if he didn't continue to speak out. I also said I was doing my part also, not asking him to do something I'm not, he just has more people listening, lol
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  • darthvedder81
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    LeftThePorch315 wrote:
    To some time to write some words about everything you folks are discussing. I posted this in "Words and Music... Communication", but I think it fits here.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=5361178#post5361178

    I look forward to your responses. Thank you for your time.

    Oh... and Bill O'Rielly is a fascist douchebag.

    ds

    Does anyone even know what a fascist is? That word gets thrown around so willy-nilly. I guess anyone who doesn't hold extreme leftist views is now a fascist.

    I don't really like Bill O'Reilly but I don't understand why he's viewed as some sort of hard-right conservative. He definitely leans that way but he's also pretty amoral on a lot of issues. The people that criticize him should actual watch his show once in a while (not just the popular YouTube clips where says something "outrageous").
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