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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,701
    Get_Right wrote:
    Clintons surplus was impressive because he cleaned up another republican mess and that surplus was the first in many many years

    :rolleyes:

    Then what about his 6.5 years of deficits? Were those impressive too? Or just Republican shenanigans over which he had no control?
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    That's quite brilliant.

    Perhaps a better suggestion would be to tell her to provide value to someone, through which she might be able to actually pay off her debts without accumulating new ones.

    that's the way it should go, in an ideal America.

    unfortunately, we don't live it that America, we live in this one

    farfromglorified wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States#Tax_distribution

    thanks for that, I found out I'm in the top 5% who knew?

    looks like I AM paying!
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I don't care about your heart. I care about your mind. A heart doesn't dictate "fairness". A mind does that.

    http://www.ctj.org/blog/2007/06/buffett-rich-pay-too-little.html

    the second richest man has something to say on the matter

    farfromglorified wrote:
    No, both parties have. Bill Clinton's 18 month surplus during an 8 year presidency isn't really that impressive. Numerous Democratic presidents have been just as fiscally idiotic as their Republican counterparts.

    For example, the federal deficit when Bill Clinton took office was $4,100,000,000,000. When he left, it was $5,700,000,000,000. So please stop being so predictably and boringly partisan.

    I'll have to do research on the matter and argue with you later.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    Of course you are. You're demanding others pay additional taxes. If you wanted to pay more taxes yourself, you wouldn't have have put "we" in your thread title.

    You're not "getting discussion going". You're telling people that "we must raise taxes".

    You and Jiew should get together and have a lovely tea party!

    This thread is basically saying, "it's broke. let's fix it."

    nothing motivates Americans (especially Republican Americans) faster than if it means parting with money. that goes double if it's to someone less advantaged then them.

    So for the record I'm not now nor have I ever actually felt on any level that We should raise taxes before we consider restructure and responsible spending.

    A few people on this thread responded like maybe they got what I was driving at.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,701
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    that's the way it should go, in an ideal America.

    unfortunately, we don't live it that America, we live in this one

    Huh???? Your entire premise here is that we can do better than our current reality. And now you're saying "well, we don't live in an ideal America". If that's the case, fuck it, why complain at all??
    thanks for that, I found out I'm in the top 5% who knew?

    looks like I AM paying!

    the second richest man has something to say on the matter

    http://www.ctj.org/blog/2007/06/buffett-rich-pay-too-little.html

    I find these kind of statements pretty disengenuous. No one is stopping Warren Buffett from paying whatever he wants to the government.
    I'll have to do research on the matter and argue with you later.

    Ok. I can't wait.
    This thread is basically saying, "it's broke. let's fix it."

    "that's the way it should go, in an ideal America.

    unfortunately, we don't live it that America, we live in this one"
    nothing motivates Americans (especially Republican Americans) faster than if it means parting with money. that goes double if it's to someone less advantaged then them.

    So for the record I'm not now nor have I ever actually felt on any level that We should raise taxes before we consider restructure and responsible spending.

    Ok. Now why isn't this thread titled "we should consider restructured and responsible spending"?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    People in the US are facing some tasty taxes in the future...and their kids...and their kids....etc and so on unless someone start talking common sense.

    Currently it's a state of media induced psychosis...

    delicious mind-fuckery...
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  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok. Now why isn't this thread titled "we should consider restructured and responsible spending"?

    I don't know, why is that William F. Burroughs book called "Naked Lunch"?

    It has a complete lack of nudity or food.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    floyd1975 wrote:
    If a government runs a surplus, they are overcharging their citizens for living there.

    Maybe, but given the choice between balanced budget with a surplus at the end of the year and actually running a budget that is in deficit, I would prefer that my government at least attempts to balance the books.
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    The government should allow a front page deduction for expenses incurred in the caring of an adopted animal.
    reigning champion

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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Maybe, but given the choice between balanced budget with a surplus at the end of the year and actually running a budget that is in deficit, I would prefer that my government at least attempts to balance the books.

    One year is an accidental surplus. Many years in a row is dishonest overcharging.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    stop funding war
    stop stripping education



    taxes are fine...its just they are gong to foreign places
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    macgyver06 wrote:
    stop funding war
    stop stripping education



    taxes are fine...its just they are gong to foreign places

    Ugh.
    We must ENCOURAGE stripping education ...

    only THEN can we get this country back on track ...
    through honest and virtuous enterprise we can rebuff the golden paved streets of this great america.

    BUT we MUST support and expand funding for stripping education!
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Conversely....

    Some places push education for strippers.
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    floyd1975 wrote:
    One year is an accidental surplus. Many years in a row is dishonest overcharging.

    Actually for the surplus is because our economy has been taking off like crazy. The $100 a barrel price of oil is actully a benefit to our economy since we are an oil exporter.
  • Derrick
    Derrick Posts: 475
    Get_Right wrote:
    I work til frigging april to pay my taxes

    In Canada we work til late June doing that, but our country is clearly better than yours, so I guess it's ok. :-)

    I bet all of our extra dollars go to snow removal on roads and highways.






    (settle down and see the jokes people)
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Derrick wrote:
    In Canada we work til late June doing that, but our country is clearly better than yours, so I guess it's ok. :-)

    I bet all of our extra dollars go to snow removal on roads and highways.



    (settle down and see the jokes people)

    Plus our national debt goes down every second rather than up.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,240
    Derrick wrote:
    In Canada we work til late June doing that, but our country is clearly better than yours, so I guess it's ok. :-)

    I bet all of our extra dollars go to snow removal on roads and highways.






    (settle down and see the jokes people)


    that and roadkill clean up
    ;)
  • brain of c
    brain of c Posts: 5,213
    print more money.
    d'oh!!!!!!

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