gay muslims find a way out

darkcrow
darkcrow Posts: 1,102
edited June 2006 in A Moving Train
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/23/AR2006062301417_pf.html

it is such a tragedy that homosexuls have to do this. im from an indian family so can compleatly understand about family pressure on any issue. although i have seen marragies of convenience come crashing down and maybe this... well it certainly is not ideal.

there is such a poor view on the homosexul community not just from the muslim religion but also from the christians, particularly the catholics. we are seeing the protestant chuch going towards a schism and about time too. the muslims need one too to sort out their problems.

ahhh anyway
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  • O-ren Ishii
    O-ren Ishii Posts: 57
    The family pressures must be incredibly intense. All of me thinks that this is sad, but a part understands why the marriages of convenience are happening.
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  • CenterCity
    CenterCity Posts: 193
    on the same note: things are changing. relgious people are opening up to homosexuality. :)
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  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    There are gay muslims? I would think the clerics would have them all killed...
  • InsaneSoup
    InsaneSoup Posts: 37
    When gay muslims go to heaven do they get, like, I dunno, 70 Chippendales? Cuz I bet the virgin thing would be hell.
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  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    CenterCity wrote:
    on the same note: things are changing. relgious people are opening up to homosexuality. :)

    The Ancient Romans and Greeks were pretty religious and open towards homosexuality...
  • IndianSummer
    IndianSummer Posts: 854
    Laz wrote:
    The Ancient Romans and Greeks were pretty religious and open towards homosexuality...
    as were ancient persians, indians, chinese etc.
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  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    IndianSummer wrote:
    as were ancient persians, indians, chinese etc.

    So it would seem that where there has been religious people, there has been acceptance towards homosexuality.

    Communist countries haven't been very kind towards homosexuals. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a crime to be gay in the old USSR?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Laz wrote:
    There are gay muslims? I would think the clerics would have them all killed...

    I was thinking the same thing.

    Man, could you imagine what it would be like, being gay in a traditional Muslim family? The Bible Belt has no monopoly on prejudice.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Laz wrote:
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a crime to be gay in the old USSR?

    No sure if it was an actual law in the books, but I do know that a lot of homosexuals wound up in the gulags as "political prisoners".
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Laz wrote:
    So it would seem that where there has been religious people, there has been acceptance towards homosexuality.

    Communist countries haven't been very kind towards homosexuals. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a crime to be gay in the old USSR?

    I think it's a crime in some states here. Well, not a crime to be gay, but a crime to engage in sex with a member of the same sex--not that it is enforced...

    Acutally, sex between unmarried couples (which by definition includes all same sex pairs) may illegal in some states too. Again, not enforced...
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  • IndianSummer
    IndianSummer Posts: 854
    Laz wrote:
    So it would seem that where there has been religious people, there has been acceptance towards homosexuality.

    Communist countries haven't been very kind towards homosexuals. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a crime to be gay in the old USSR?

    abrahamic "one size fits all" approaches - be it on the religious front (judaism, christianity, islam), or political (communism, socialism) - have not been too kind/ tolerant, towards anything they dont agree much with.

    the same iran where today a homosexual would be stoned to death had scores of ancient literature and sculpture and mythology about homosexual subjects back in the day when it was zorastrian.
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  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    So it would seem that irreligious systems (Communism) and religious systems (too many to list) can be both opposed to homosexuality.

    I think what's in the books here is the crime of sodomy, which by the way could also apply to heterosexuals. Either way the law (where it's in the books) is not enforced.

    Do you live in the Bible Belt, reborncareerist?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Laz wrote:
    Do you live in the Bible Belt, reborncareerist?

    Nope, I am a Canadian ... I just used that example because that's the one people on here tend to think of first, whenever the topic of religious intolerance comes up.
  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Nope, I am a Canadian ... I just used that example because that's the one people on here tend to think of first, whenever the topic of religious intolerance comes up.

    So would you say that in Canada, people have more religious tolerance than in the Bible Belt?

    How do you think the Bible Belt has gotten the rep that by your own admission it has gotten here in these boards?
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    IndianSummer wrote:
    abrahamic "one size fits all" approaches - be it on the religious front (judaism, christianity, islam), or political (communism, socialism) - have not been too kind/ tolerant, towards anything they dont agree much with.

    the same iran where today a homosexual would be stoned to death had scores of ancient literature and sculpture and mythology about homosexual subjects back in the day when it was zorastrian.

    You always find a way to badmouth a muslim country. In another thread you posted with an Iranian female soccer fan, you found a way to add the negativity to it, you can't pass up on insulting a muslim country. I KNOW your agenda. You are fucking RACIST against muslims, you don't give a fuck about gays, when you saw muslim in the title you had to come in and add your two fucking racist cents. You want to reduce everything to a religious issue, so you can attack muslims. And why would IndianSummer do this? Because he is pissed off that Pakistan was annexed from India, or their are muslim hindu clashes in India, so he reduces EVERYTHING to a religious issue so can he can bash muslims and muslim countries. Sorry to derail the thread but I am fucking sick of his bullshit. When I read that you stood in vomit when you saw PJ in whatever city, I laughed for days, as a matter of fact, I am now on a mission to find the puker and kiss him on the lips, clean his house and walk his dog. THAT'S KARMA FOR YOU, RIGHT?
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    keep in mind that even in "the land of the free" in non muslims homes it's still very very very hard for people to tell their fams that they are gay.

    Often they still hide it, so it's for the most part the same.

    I don't know why is was so imporatant to have "gay muslims" in the title.
  • IndianSummer
    IndianSummer Posts: 854
    purrmo wrote:
    You always find a way to badmouth a muslim country. In another thread you posted with an Iranian female soccer fan, you found a way to add the negativity to it, you can't pass up on insulting a muslim country. I KNOW your agenda. You are fucking RACIST against muslims, you don't give a fuck about gays, when you saw muslim in the title you had to come in and add your two fucking racist cents. You want to reduce everything to a religious issue, so you can attack muslims. And why would IndianSummer do this? Because he is pissed off that Pakistan was annexed from India, or their are muslim hindu clashes in India, so he reduces EVERYTHING to a religious issue so can he can bash muslims and muslim countries. Sorry to derail the thread but I am fucking sick of his bullshit. When I read that you stood in vomit when you saw PJ in whatever city, I laughed for days, as a matter of fact, I am now on a mission to find the puker and kiss him on the lips, clean his house and walk his dog. THAT'S KARMA FOR YOU, RIGHT?

    er.... i said "abrahamic one size fits all approach". not muslims. get that chip off your ass or wherever it is you have it on.

    as for the guy who stood in puke during a concert, thats probably "indian summer" (with a blank space between indian and summer) and is a different person,. not me. but you can go ahead and kiss his puke for all i care. all he best.

    and go easy on the acid, you are imagining too many things already.
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  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    purrmo wrote:
    You always find a way to badmouth a muslim country. In another thread you posted with an Iranian female soccer fan, you found a way to add the negativity to it, you can't pass up on insulting a muslim country. I KNOW your agenda. You are fucking RACIST against muslims, you don't give a fuck about gays, when you saw muslim in the title you had to come in and add your two fucking racist cents. You want to reduce everything to a religious issue, so you can attack muslims.

    I didn't see him/her attacking muslims per se - he included other religions. And why is it racist to point out the reality of homosexuality being basically forbidden in islam and having a problem with that? Muslims aren't a race - Islam is a religion and anyone who believes the statement 'la ilaha ilAllah Muhammadarasul Allah' can be one. I don't attack, but I disagree with the religion, and I know something about it.

    I find the original article quite sad, but I can believe it. It is inconvenient for some people in various religions that homosexuality even exists because it upsets the way they think things should be. But the reality is there are people who are homosexual, and I can not accept any religion that believes they should be stoned to death.
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  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    It's getting a bit too vitriolic in here... talking about kissing puke, yikes...
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    JaneNY wrote:
    I didn't see him/her attacking muslims per se - he included other religions. And why is it racist to point out the reality of homosexuality being basically forbidden in islam and having a problem with that? Muslims aren't a race - Islam is a religion and anyone who believes the statement 'la ilaha ilAllah Muhammadarasul Allah' can be one. I don't attack, but I disagree with the religion, and I know something about it.

    I find the original article quite sad, but I can believe it. It is inconvenient for some people in various religions that homosexuality even exists because it upsets the way they think things should be. But the reality is there are people who are homosexual, and I can not accept any religion that believes they should be stoned to death.

    I meant prejudice, you are right racism does not apply. Tell me where in the Qu'ran does it say the homosexuals should be stoned to death. Nowhere. During the Prophet's time such punishments for any deviance were avoided by all means and we are told to follow his example. I don't agree with a lot of religions, but I don't make a point to bash them any chance I get as IndianSummer has and won't cop to.

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