US Defense Spending as % of GDP near historical low

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edited January 2008 in A Moving Train
Hmmn....US defense spending is about 3% of GDP. Suck on that hippies!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2034rank.html
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  • Posts: 10,118
    even with the 2 wars going on? thats surprising. I think (and hope) a few years from now it will be 1% or less
  • Posts: 1,688
    I totally believe the CIA. Oh, and wikipedia too.

    Because neither of those places or entities ever report false or erroneous things.

    I'm not some conspiracy theory nutjob, but we all know the CIA has lied to us. And the other day, the wikipedia entry for Scientology had a picture of testicles on it (I'm not even kidding either).
  • Posts: 12,225
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Hmmn....US defense spending is about 3% of GDP. Suck on that hippies!


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2034rank.html
    ...
    Maybe that's why there wasn't enough body armour in Iraq. And it might explain why our guys had to hunt through the junk yards to hillbilly up-armour their HMMWVs over there.
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  • Posts: 10,118
    anotherclone wrote:
    the wikipedia entry for Scientology had a picture of testicles on it (I'm not even kidding either).

    sounds accurate to me
  • Posts: 13,066
    anotherclone wrote:
    I'm not some conspiracy theory nutjob, but we all know the CIA has lied to us. And the other day, the wikipedia entry for Scientology had a picture of testicles on it (I'm not even kidding either).

    Oh you gotta link me up to that. I hope someone got a screenshot saved before it was pulled,

    The CIA edits a lot of wiki content. I forgot who that guy was that reverse DNS'd all the wiki edit's and made a searchable database from it. You just reminded me.
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  • Posts: 17,117
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Hmmn....US defense spending is about 3% of GDP. Suck on that hippies!


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2034rank.html


    yet the US spends over 50% of its discretionary budget on "defense"

    2008 BUDGET (DISCRETIONARY SPENDING)

    $481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense
    $145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror
    $69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services
    $56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education
    $39.4 billion (+18.7%) - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
    $35.2 billion (+1.4%) - US Department of Housing and Urban Development
    $35.0 billion (+22.0%) - State and Other International Programs
    $34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
    $24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Energy
    $20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Administration of justice
    $20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture
    $17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    $12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation
    $12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of Treasury
    $10.6 billion (+2.9%) - United States Department of the Interior
    $10.6 billion (-9.4%) - United States Department of Labor
    $51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
    $39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending
    Net interest on debt: $261 billion (+9.2%)


    The Iraq war and the Afghanistan war are not part of the defense budget; they are appropriations. WHICH IS QUITE A FEW BILLION DOLLARS...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget%2C_2008


    and here is a little more for you to study up on good friend...

    For 2007, the budget rose to US$439.3 billion. This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance and production (~$9.3 billion, which is in the Department of Energy budget), Veterans Affairs(~$33.2 billion) or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which are largely funded through extra-budgetary supplements, ~$170 billion in 2007). Conversely, the military budget does allocate money for dual-use items, such as the development of infrastructure surrounding U.S. military bases. Altogether, military-related expenses totaled approximately $626.1 billion.

    APPROX 60% OF DISCRETIONARY SPENDING IN 2007 WENT TO THE MILITARY


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States




    suck on that, redneck

    wake up and smell the nuclear cloud
  • Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    suck on that, redneck

    wake up and smell the nuclear cloud

    you were doing great until this. such low class.
  • Posts: 17,117
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Hmmn....US defense spending is about 3% of GDP. Suck on that hippies!


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2034rank.html


    you're being lied too...daily...since you were born... it hurts when you figure it out...
  • Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you were doing great until this. such low class.


    i am not running for office or on a date...


    and i was just refering back to his "suck this hippies"


    and i actually iked the nuclear cloud thing... mushroom cloud is better... AND IT IS THE REALITY... WHATS WRONG WITH POINTING THAT OUT
  • Posts: 1,688
    about the wiki/testicles thing...a friend called me laughing his ass off about it, telling me to get on there (wikipedia) "right now", by the time I had gotten there, it was gone. it was only about 15 minutes.

    so, alas, I did not see it, but my source was someone I trust and he was laughing to hard to have it be a lie. hell, for all I know maybe he did it himself. :D
  • Posts: 1,477
    my2hands wrote:
    yet the US spends over 50% of its discretionary budget on "defense"

    2008 BUDGET (DISCRETIONARY SPENDING)

    $481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense
    $145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror
    $69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services
    $56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education
    $39.4 billion (+18.7%) - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
    $35.2 billion (+1.4%) - US Department of Housing and Urban Development
    $35.0 billion (+22.0%) - State and Other International Programs
    $34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
    $24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Energy
    $20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Administration of justice
    $20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture
    $17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    $12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation
    $12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of Treasury
    $10.6 billion (+2.9%) - United States Department of the Interior
    $10.6 billion (-9.4%) - United States Department of Labor
    $51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
    $39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending
    Net interest on debt: $261 billion (+9.2%)


    The Iraq war and the Afghanistan war are not part of the defense budget; they are appropriations. WHICH IS QUITE A FEW BILLION DOLLARS...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget%2C_2008


    and here is a little more for you to study up on good friend...

    For 2007, the budget rose to US$439.3 billion. This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance and production (~$9.3 billion, which is in the Department of Energy budget), Veterans Affairs(~$33.2 billion) or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which are largely funded through extra-budgetary supplements, ~$170 billion in 2007). Conversely, the military budget does allocate money for dual-use items, such as the development of infrastructure surrounding U.S. military bases. Altogether, military-related expenses totaled approximately $626.1 billion.

    APPROX 60% OF DISCRETIONARY SPENDING IN 2007 WENT TO THE MILITARY


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States




    suck on that, redneck

    wake up and smell the nuclear cloud

    notice bootlegger shut his trap
    thanks my2hands for dose of cold hard facts
    Let's not be negative now. Thumper has spoken
  • Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    my2hands wrote:
    yet the US spends over 50% of its discretionary budget on "defense"

    2008 BUDGET (DISCRETIONARY SPENDING)

    $481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense
    $145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror
    $69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services
    $56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education
    $39.4 billion (+18.7%) - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
    $35.2 billion (+1.4%) - US Department of Housing and Urban Development
    $35.0 billion (+22.0%) - State and Other International Programs
    $34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
    $24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Energy
    $20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Administration of justice
    $20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture
    $17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    $12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation
    $12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of Treasury
    $10.6 billion (+2.9%) - United States Department of the Interior
    $10.6 billion (-9.4%) - United States Department of Labor
    $51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
    $39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending
    Net interest on debt: $261 billion (+9.2%)


    The Iraq war and the Afghanistan war are not part of the defense budget; they are appropriations. WHICH IS QUITE A FEW BILLION DOLLARS...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget%2C_2008


    and here is a little more for you to study up on good friend...

    For 2007, the budget rose to US$439.3 billion. This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance and production (~$9.3 billion, which is in the Department of Energy budget), Veterans Affairs(~$33.2 billion) or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which are largely funded through extra-budgetary supplements, ~$170 billion in 2007). Conversely, the military budget does allocate money for dual-use items, such as the development of infrastructure surrounding U.S. military bases. Altogether, military-related expenses totaled approximately $626.1 billion.

    APPROX 60% OF DISCRETIONARY SPENDING IN 2007 WENT TO THE MILITARY


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States




    suck on that, redneck

    wake up and smell the nuclear cloud

    You hardly ever see info such as this being publicized in the media. Our spending is outrageous, they wouldn't want the citizenry to know the truth.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

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  • Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    You hardly ever see info such as this being publicized in the media. Our spending is outrageous, they wouldn't want the citizenry to know the truth.

    Peace


    actually I hear about it everytime a bill is proposed and passed for war spending. 40 billion here 75 billion there. every major news outlet covers it along countless website and blogs. maybe you should pay closer attention.
  • Posts: 1,952
    my2hands wrote:
    2008 BUDGET (DISCRETIONARY SPENDING)

    $481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense
    $145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror
    $69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services
    $56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education
    $39.4 billion (+18.7%) - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
    $35.2 billion (+1.4%) - US Department of Housing and Urban Development
    $35.0 billion (+22.0%) - State and Other International Programs
    $34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
    $24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Energy
    $20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Administration of justice
    $20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture
    $17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    $12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation
    $12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of Treasury
    $10.6 billion (+2.9%) - United States Department of the Interior
    $10.6 billion (-9.4%) - United States Department of Labor
    $51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
    $39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending
    Net interest on debt: $261 billion (+9.2%)


    Wow those numbers are mind-blowing. Just the DoD budget alone is 34 times greater than the entire Canadian Federal Budget for 2007 (includind Debt payments). And yet you population is only about 10 times bigger than ours.
  • Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    jlew24asu wrote:
    actually I hear about it everytime a bill is proposed and passed for war spending. 40 billion here 75 billion there. every major news outlet covers it along countless website and blogs. maybe you should pay closer attention.

    I do pay closer attention, what others do is on them. Most Americans are clueless like the chap that started this thread.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    I do pay closer attention, what others do is on them. Most Americans are clueless like the chap that started this thread.

    Peace

    point is that many americans do pay close attention to our spending. especially the spending we do on these current wars. its shoved in our face every time a bill is passed, and rightfully so.
  • Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    i am not running for office or on a date...


    and i was just refering back to his "suck this hippies"


    and i actually iked the nuclear cloud thing... mushroom cloud is better... AND IT IS THE REALITY... WHATS WRONG WITH POINTING THAT OUT

    God knows Bush, Condi, and Cheney, pounded home these very words "mushroom cloud" endlessly (and tirelessly) in justifying their pre-emtive strikes of terror in Iraq.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    even with the 2 wars going on? thats surprising. I think (and hope) a few years from now it will be 1% or less


    The two wars do not count. They are not part of the Defense Budget. The funds for the war are added to the defense budget.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    The two wars do not count. They are not part of the Defense Budget. The funds for the war are added to the defense budget.

    hey mamma how ya been? but yes I realized that after i posted my comment and when hands cleared it up. thats why the number surprised me. heres to hoping this spending is cut as time moves forward
  • Posts: 16,256
    my2hands wrote:
    yet the US spends over 50% of its discretionary budget on "defense"

    2008 BUDGET (DISCRETIONARY SPENDING)

    $481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense
    $145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror
    $69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services
    $56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education
    $39.4 billion (+18.7%) - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
    $35.2 billion (+1.4%) - US Department of Housing and Urban Development
    $35.0 billion (+22.0%) - State and Other International Programs
    $34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
    $24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Energy
    $20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Administration of justice
    $20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture
    $17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    $12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation
    $12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of Treasury
    $10.6 billion (+2.9%) - United States Department of the Interior
    $10.6 billion (-9.4%) - United States Department of Labor
    $51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
    $39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending
    Net interest on debt: $261 billion (+9.2%)


    The Iraq war and the Afghanistan war are not part of the defense budget; they are appropriations. WHICH IS QUITE A FEW BILLION DOLLARS...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget%2C_2008


    and here is a little more for you to study up on good friend...

    For 2007, the budget rose to US$439.3 billion. This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance and production (~$9.3 billion, which is in the Department of Energy budget), Veterans Affairs(~$33.2 billion) or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which are largely funded through extra-budgetary supplements, ~$170 billion in 2007). Conversely, the military budget does allocate money for dual-use items, such as the development of infrastructure surrounding U.S. military bases. Altogether, military-related expenses totaled approximately $626.1 billion.

    APPROX 60% OF DISCRETIONARY SPENDING IN 2007 WENT TO THE MILITARY


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States




    suck on that, redneck

    wake up and smell the nuclear cloud

    I understood all this before my post.

    Please give me %'s of GDP. I don't care about % increases or dollar increases. Even if our military spending was 10% of GDP, then I could at least say that we are at war so it makes sense, and still is only 10%.

    Also, the liberals here complained when it was 2000 and we were spending like 3% of GDP without all the big appropriations when we were at war. Which is ridiculous. So, I would expect appropriations to be high during war-time. I think you could make an argument to look at peace time to guage our true military spending habits. 3% ain't bad. Again, it would make sense that spending would be higher in war time.

    I enjoyed the redneck comment. I think we need to show our true feelings here, and not sugarcoat things. That is why I use the hippie a lot.

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