When will the U.S. Finally Fall?
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ajedigecko wrote:to be quite honest.........i am ready for another country to step up and be number 1.
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rvp wrote:A dominant position in the world’s economy and politics doesn’t mean colonial power as I’m sure you know (There is Portugal and Spain to prove it –as paradigmatic cases, yes?-). I think colonialism in the traditional sense of the word has nothing to do with US power, also considering that US got to a dominant position (and maintained it) after WWII which, as many historians say, marked the end of the prior geopolitical organization of the world and the end of traditional colonialism.
If you are talking strictly about colonialism (in the traditional sense of the word), I agree with you, probably Britain is the biggest colonising force the world has ever known, but the Roman Empire practically invented colonialism (they call it in some other way back then) and surely US learned more about them than Britain (this is not a good thing imo) and so gave birth to neo-colonialism, cultural colonialism, world power as the world had never seen before, etc.
Anyway, I don’t think we can go on talking in these terms (colonialism, rule of the world, etc.) during globalization times… is inaccurate and doesn’t reflect what is happening which is much more complex, yes?
And to answer the original post, I really think US no longer rules the world and it has already fallen from it’s dominant position, and its fall will go on for quite some time but I don’t think any other country will take that position anymore… the world will organize itself very differently in days to come… (European Union, ALCA-FTAA-ZLEA, Mercosur, etc.)
(Hope I made my point clear, not being English my mother language…;))
You talk about a redundant use of the word 'Colonialism', but then you throw out a word like 'globalization', as if that word can be easily interpreted. The word 'globalization' is pretty meaningless.
Of course colonialism as we now see it works in ways a lot different to what we saw in Africa and India, for example. Economic warfare has been very successful. Now It's only necessary to send the military in when the leaders of a particular country don't tow the line by exporting the majority of their raw materials overseas to the playground bully.
The U.S will suffer as a result of the Bush administration for years to come. It's main export is arms, and the threat of force. This won't continue forever because the world won't stand for it. The more the U.S power elites behave like the Nazis did, with uncontrolled arrogance and violence, the more hated, and isolated the U.S will become. The day the British poodle government turns it's back on the U.S is the day American power will begin it's slide into mediocrity and irrelevance.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:You talk about a redundant use of the word 'Colonialism', but then you throw out a word like 'globalization', as if that word can be easily interpreted. The word 'globalization' is pretty meaningless.
Of course colonialism as we now see it works in ways a lot different to what we saw in Africa and India, for example. Economic warfare has been very successful. Now It's only necessary to send the military in when the leaders of a particular country don't tow the line by exporting the majority of their raw materials overseas to the playground bully.
The U.S will suffer as a result of the Bush administration for years to come. It's main export is arms, and the threat of force. This won't continue forever because the world won't stand for it. The more the U.S power elites behave like the Nazis did, with uncontrolled arrogance and violence, the more hated, and isolated the U.S will become. The day the British poodle government turns it's back on the U.S is the day American power will begin it's slide into mediocrity and irrelevance.
yup play the Nazi card. This comment sums you up in a nutshell. I will make a point of not forgetting it.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:yup play the Nazi card. This comment sums you up in a nutshell. I will make a point of not forgetting it.
What byrnzie said was bang on the money.Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.0 -
spiral out wrote:What byrnzie said was bang on the money.
opinions are like assholes, everyones got one.0 -
the evil empire will fall when the chosen one is recognised and taught the ways of the ancient jedi masters.hear my name
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i think i read this during one of the last g8 summits or something but a lot of analyists as well as politicians were stating that as economic powers go china and india will become the bigger players, eventually overtaking the usa for dominance.
i dont know if such a nation as the usa could "fall" a la ancient greece, but economically it will certainly be lower down in the pecking orderDOWNLOAD THE LATEST ISSUE OF The Last Reel: http://www.mediafire.com/?jdsqazrjzdt
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mammasan wrote:To be honest probably not in our lifetime.0
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FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:You forgot Britain, easily the biggest colonising force the world has ever known. Arguably, Britain really lost America because the bulk of the East India Company's troops were already deployed, penetrating India further and further throughout the 1770s: this globally expansionist army was spreading itself too thinly and had to stick to priorities en route to empire (which came a century later).
That's a reductive view, but it can be backed up to a degree.
America could learn much from how the British handled and mishandled colonial and post-colonial affairs.
America didn't rape and pilage most of the world0 -
spiral out wrote:What byrnzie said was bang on the money.
Thanks man.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:Tell that to Latin America and the Middle East.DOWNLOAD THE LATEST ISSUE OF The Last Reel: http://www.mediafire.com/?jdsqazrjzdt
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fada wrote:America didn't rape and pilage most of the world
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Byrnzie wrote:Tell that to Latin America and the Middle East.
I think you can add Italy and the Phillipines into that list aswell. I'm sure theres more.Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.0 -
I'm not sure, and I could be wrong, but I think Hawaiians were happy chilling out on their island all by themselves.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Oh and jamica and the dominican republic i think it was.Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.0
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