Lebanese Peace Plan

monkey spanker wrote:

"Lebanese army deployed to southern Lebanon to replace Hezbollah, with the help of a foreign (UN, french) army."

they were already supposed to do that..didn't get done.

:rolleyes:

now it's time to do it...

monkey spanker wrote:

when israle pulled out years ago was time to do it. forgive them for not believing all of them now.

oh my bad, i should have expect that you probably don't know that it was not Lebanon alone to do this, they would have been suppose to receive help and it wasn't provide, now it's time to provide this help and to stop turning blind eyes on these issue, and stop pointing fingers, otherwise the bombings will continue and peoples will continue to get killed or hide in their bunker...

jsand wrote:

2. Exchange of prisoners

4. Return of the Shabaa Farms from Israel, with a United Nation resolution and supervision, Hezbollah won't disarm if that is not done.


So Hezbollah and terrorism wins? Fuck no.

win what? nothing else will bring peace, if you don't negociate something with the Hezbollah they won't disarm, but you probably like it the way it is, bomb, colateral damage, destructions, refugees, fights etc.

If they continue the things they're doing right now, Hezbollah will win anyway...

monkey spanker wrote:

"if you don't negociate something with the Hezbollah they won't disarm"

HELLO, they negotiated with them before..and also through the useless UN. they were supposed to disband from southern lebanon...they didn't do it then, they wouldn't do it now. the hezzy's goal is to wipe israel off the map..how do you all not learn anything from history?

Useless UN, yes that's the point, they must act now, mmmm i don't know what else to say about it.

History? I think you'd need to learn some stuffs from history... but here i'm talking about the fucking future, bring me the USA peace plan and then let's compare both, to see what can be done and which one is the more effective.

I fully support the plan that is being put forward by the Lebanon govt. and i believe it would be good for peace in the region. We can't abandon them once again. Help must be provided to the Lebanese govt., it never happened before,

The opposite is going on right now, Israel are giving Hezbollah more supporters, if you can't see that, it's your own problem, but it's what is happening and if Israel continue this way it will never stop cause they'll just enflame more people against them. They must have a plan, which involve negociation and some concession on both side. But no, you like the bomb your ass approach, which clearly in history, haven't prove much great things, history?

shiraz wrote:

To set up discussion? But Israel & Lebanon are already doing that indirectly....

Cease fire is the main point, set up discussion is a result of it, would be more easier to discuss when nobody is being killed, in my opinion.

shiraz wrote:

I really need to ask this: there are only 4 Lebanese prisoners in Israel, all got a fair trail and sent into prison (Smair Kuntar for killing the Haran family, Nisim Naser for spaying, one for illegal weapons supply and the last one - I don't remember). Why should we release them? Cause according to that logic, Israel should kidnap a few US soliders for the sake of Polard (Israeli spy who was cought in US and sent to prison). Israel will only agree to release them for the right price (like valid info about Ron Arad).

But Siniora doesn't talk only about them, he mainly talk about Palestinian prisoners. Why? It seems he is worried about the Palestinians more than his own country, hence, he cares more about Hizbullah interests...

Yes, exchange prisoners, if he means Palestinians then great, if Lebanon govt. say they want to exchage prisoners, then they probably have a list of them, i don't know who they are, but that's part of the discussion i guess, i don't think it's all settle down, it's a plan that need to be look at instead of being demonized.

shiraz wrote:

We already tried that one, but it didn't work. Unfortunately, there is no solution other than int force (a well trained one from one state only - France) in southern Lebanon, Israel knows that and already accepted that suggestion.

good, if let's say Hezbollah are suppose to be disarm but some "pocket" refuse to do so, then it would be up to the intl. force and Lebanese army to take them out, i guess this is ok on both side, so that's a good one. Also ok with a French intervention, French said they also agree, but only if a cease fire is called, so you gotta go back to point 1 to apply this part of the plan.

shiraz wrote:

Shabaa belongs to Syria (according to the UN & Syria itself), and that place is frequently served as Hizbullah excuse for his evil actions. Again, Siniora cares more about Hizbullah than his own country. Israel will never agree to that term.

This is to make Hizbollah disarm, yes it's about Hezbollah, it's probably the biggest concession to be made to see a cease fire, and Lebanon don't want to take control of that land without any intervention, they want a United Nation comittee to rule this land for good.

shiraz wrote:

Never. You can maybe disband its force, but you can't disband its ideology. No Hizbullah men in Lebanon official army, it'll be quite the same as now - political party who is also an armed force. Again, Siniora cares more about Hizbullah than his own country..

well, sorry Shiraz, but you can bomb some of it's force with military, but you can't disband their ideology, so i don't know, maybe it's more to say that those who are currently part of the Hezbollah and want to stay in a military organisation that they could join Lebanese army, again it's about making concession, and nothing in this one is bad in my opinion, compare to the prisoners exchange and return of land, this one is internal Lebanese policy. Hezbollah without the armed wing would be a small minority in the Lebanese govt..

shiraz wrote:

, and lets hope this time the world will give a damn about Lebanon.

This is a really one bad plan.

according to you, but it's the best i've seen, and i'd like to read a plan for the Palestine problem too, Israel military is not and has never been an answer, but i'm just putting forward this plan, i have not build it, sure some stuff could be change, but just saying categoric NO to everything in there is bad, nothing will be done then. It's pretty naive to think that all of this can stop without listening to what Lebanon has to say, imposed plan would just deepens the problem... but here we're living in peace, so it's easy to say these things, peace is all i know, i know nothing about war, have never lived it, but i know that peace is well worth any kind of concession that could be made...

jsand wrote:

War crime - another ignorant left wing catch-phrase. I don't hear you and your ilk calling out "war crime" when innocent Israeli civilians are INTENTIONALLY targeted and killed by Hezbollah.

6 people in Israel died today from those "bloody ancient rockets," which are filled with ball bearings to cause maximum casualties. Hezbollah is a virulently anti-semitic (not just anti-Israel) organizations whose stated goal is to destroy Israel. Wake up.

damn left wing ignorant... you're so wrong in almost everything you post, what makes it funnier is how you seem to know the thruth when saying those things, when you clearly are wrong, it is war crimes, when Hezbollah rocket hits a civillian, it's a war crime, what's your point right wing ______(insert insult)