Without the threat of death there's no reason to live at all

Ahnimus
Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
- Marilyn Manson

Ah, an explanation for the logically elusive suicide bomber.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Where'd you find that ryan? :)

    I need to ponder it some more but it makes sense to me. :)
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  • Thorns2010
    Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    Jeanie wrote:
    Where'd you find that ryan? :)

    I need to ponder it some more but it makes sense to me. :)

    I would assume its a Mason lyric, hence stating his name.

    Interesting concept though.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    I would assume its a Mason lyric, hence stating his name.

    Interesting concept though.

    only if you see death as a threat. :)
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    a threat?
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanie wrote:
    Where'd you find that ryan? :)

    I need to ponder it some more but it makes sense to me. :)
    Jeanie wrote:
    Where'd you find that ryan? :)

    I need to ponder it some more but it makes sense to me. :)

    It's from Marilyn Manson's The Reflecting God.

    The lyric popped into my head when I was thinking about why humans would ever suicide bomb. I thought of this, if they aren't afraid of death, there is no reason to live, especially when the after-life is much more pleasurable.

    Here are the rest of the lyrics.

    your world is an ashtray
    we burn and coil like cigarettes
    the more you cry your ashes turn to mud

    the nature of the leeches, the virgin's feeling cheated
    you've only spent a second of your life

    my world is unaffected, there is an exit here
    I say it is and its true
    there is a dream inside a dream,
    I'm wide awake the more I sleep
    you'll understand when I'm dead

    I went to god just to see, and I was looking at me
    saw heaven and hell were lies
    when I'm god everyone dies
    scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    one shot and the world gets smaller

    let's jump up on the sharp swords
    cut away our smiles without the threat of death there's no reason to live at all
    my world is unaffected, there is an exit here
    I say it is and its true
    there is a dream inside a dream,
    I'm wide awake the more I sleep
    you'll understand when I'm dead

    I went to god just to see, and I was looking at me
    saw heaven and hell were lies
    when I'm god everyone dies
    scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    one shot and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker

    each thing i show you is a piece of my death
    no salvation,ah ah no forgiveness ah ah x11
    (this is beyond your experience


    I went to god just to see, and I was looking at me
    saw heaven and hell were lies
    when I'm god everyone dies
    scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power shoot here and the world gets smaller scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    one shot and the world gets smaller
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's from Marilyn Manson's The Reflecting God.

    The lyric popped into my head when I was thinking about why humans would ever suicide bomb. I thought of this, if they aren't afraid of death, there is no reason to live, especially when the after-life is much more pleasurable.

    Here are the rest of the lyrics.

    your world is an ashtray
    we burn and coil like cigarettes
    the more you cry your ashes turn to mud

    the nature of the leeches, the virgin's feeling cheated
    you've only spent a second of your life

    my world is unaffected, there is an exit here
    I say it is and its true
    there is a dream inside a dream,
    I'm wide awake the more I sleep
    you'll understand when I'm dead

    I went to god just to see, and I was looking at me
    saw heaven and hell were lies
    when I'm god everyone dies
    scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    one shot and the world gets smaller

    let's jump up on the sharp swords
    cut away our smiles without the threat of death there's no reason to live at all
    my world is unaffected, there is an exit here
    I say it is and its true
    there is a dream inside a dream,
    I'm wide awake the more I sleep
    you'll understand when I'm dead

    I went to god just to see, and I was looking at me
    saw heaven and hell were lies
    when I'm god everyone dies
    scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    one shot and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker

    each thing i show you is a piece of my death
    no salvation,ah ah no forgiveness ah ah x11
    (this is beyond your experience


    I went to god just to see, and I was looking at me
    saw heaven and hell were lies
    when I'm god everyone dies
    scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    shoot here and the world gets smaller
    scar/scar/ can u feel my power shoot here and the world gets smaller scar/scar/ can u feel my power
    one shot and the world gets smaller
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
    i never thought i would ever agree with marilyn manson... but for once i can see things in his perspective.

    i still hate him though
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i never thought i would ever agree with marilyn manson... but for once i can see things in his perspective.

    i still hate him though

    Most of his songs have good messages in them, you just have to get passed all the showy crap. Take The beautiful people for example.

    I dont want you and I dont need you
    Dont bother to resist, Ill beat you
    Its not your fault that youre always wrong
    The weak ones are there to justify the strong
    The beautiful people, the beautiful people
    Its all relative to the size of your steeple
    You cant see the forest for the trees
    You cant smell
    Your own shit on your knees
    Hey you, what do you see?
    Something beautiful, something free?
    Hey you, are you trying to be mean?
    If you live with apes, man, its hard to be clean
    Theres no time to discriminate,
    Hate every motherfucker
    Thats in your way
    The worms will live in every host
    Its hard to pick which one they eat most
    The horrible people, the horrible people
    Its as anatomic as the size of your steeple
    Capitalism has made it this way,
    Old-fashioned fascism
    Will take it away
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    I would assume its a Mason lyric, hence stating his name.

    Interesting concept though.

    Thanks thorns. :) Occurred to me after I'd posted. Been a hunting since. :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Most of his songs have good messages in them, you just have to get passed all the showy crap. Take The beautiful people for example.

    I dont want you and I dont need you
    Dont bother to resist, Ill beat you
    Its not your fault that youre always wrong
    The weak ones are there to justify the strong
    The beautiful people, the beautiful people
    Its all relative to the size of your steeple
    You cant see the forest for the trees
    You cant smell
    Your own shit on your knees
    Hey you, what do you see?
    Something beautiful, something free?
    Hey you, are you trying to be mean?
    If you live with apes, man, its hard to be clean
    Theres no time to discriminate,
    Hate every motherfucker
    Thats in your way
    The worms will live in every host
    Its hard to pick which one they eat most
    The horrible people, the horrible people
    Its as anatomic as the size of your steeple
    Capitalism has made it this way,
    Old-fashioned fascism
    Will take it away
    That takes me back to my gothic-90's/spiritual-chick-but-still-drinking-and-carousing-in-bars days. I loved dancing to this song. I still work out to it. It's a great song.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's from Marilyn Manson's The Reflecting God.

    The lyric popped into my head when I was thinking about why humans would ever suicide bomb. I thought of this, if they aren't afraid of death, there is no reason to live, especially when the after-life is much more pleasurable.....

    Thanks love!!! Just did myself a little google search and then went a hunting through the cd collection. It's from the album Lest We Forget (The Best of).
    I've got it on now. :) I do remember it now that I can hear it. Was just having trouble placing it in context. I admit to being more up with the lyrics from Mechanical Animals.

    And as to suicide bombing, well not that I could ever imagine wanting to do it myself, I can understand the thought process of someone that could. I've always considered that there are some who do this because the life that they have here "on earth" has been so full of violence and hatred and anger and loss that they do want to make others suffer with their death and get their chance to "join" loved ones in the afterlife. I struggle a bit more getting into the head space of some one who could do it simply because they think something better is waiting for them "on the other side". But I think that's because I don't believe there is an "other side".
    Certainly though I think one has to be aware of just how different our lives are. When I think of children that are brought up in war zones, live through unmentionable horrors, lose loved ones and all hope in humanity and are then "recruited" by organizations that have something to offer them then I can see why they might see it as a solution to end their own suffering and make a statement. Not that I condone it. But I often reflect at just how lucky I am that I was able to grow up in Australia where it's been relatively violence free and how that just isn't the case for so many people in this world.
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Most of his songs have good messages in them, you just have to get passed all the showy crap. Take The beautiful people for example.

    I dont want you and I dont need you
    Dont bother to resist, Ill beat you
    Its not your fault that youre always wrong
    The weak ones are there to justify the strong
    The beautiful people, the beautiful people
    Its all relative to the size of your steeple
    You cant see the forest for the trees
    You cant smell
    Your own shit on your knees
    Hey you, what do you see?
    Something beautiful, something free?
    Hey you, are you trying to be mean?
    If you live with apes, man, its hard to be clean
    Theres no time to discriminate,
    Hate every motherfucker
    Thats in your way
    The worms will live in every host
    Its hard to pick which one they eat most
    The horrible people, the horrible people
    Its as anatomic as the size of your steeple
    Capitalism has made it this way,
    Old-fashioned fascism
    Will take it away

    :) Bit of a personal fav of mine. I used this and silverchair's Freak and a teeny bit of Moloko as part of the soundtrack for my 1st year Mask performance. It was called "Extreme Makeover" and was a bit of a dig at the plastic surgery industry and all the bullshit about how people are shaping themselves to be "fashionably attractive" and how important and obsessive looks are in this world currently. I set it in the future. It was a real tongue in cheek about what the fuck is gonna be considered asthetically pleasing 50 years from now. :)
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Most of his songs have good messages in them, you just have to get passed all the showy crap. Take The beautiful people for example.

    I dont want you and I dont need you
    Dont bother to resist, Ill beat you
    Its not your fault that youre always wrong
    The weak ones are there to justify the strong
    The beautiful people, the beautiful people
    Its all relative to the size of your steeple
    You cant see the forest for the trees
    You cant smell
    Your own shit on your knees
    Hey you, what do you see?
    Something beautiful, something free?
    Hey you, are you trying to be mean?
    If you live with apes, man, its hard to be clean
    Theres no time to discriminate,
    Hate every motherfucker
    Thats in your way
    The worms will live in every host
    Its hard to pick which one they eat most
    The horrible people, the horrible people
    Its as anatomic as the size of your steeple
    Capitalism has made it this way,
    Old-fashioned fascism
    Will take it away
    did you ever hear the little dispute he had with the New Radicals?

    their one-hit wonder song included lyrics of them kicking manson's ass.... manson wasn't so happy about it... he thought they were offensive...... that's when i figured that he wasn't as "dark" and "cold" as he portrayed himself.

    my cousin had a friend who was a killer hot model.... says manson screwed her once but it only took him 2 minutes.... great story.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • ClimberInOz
    ClimberInOz Posts: 216
    Ahnimus wrote:
    - Marilyn Manson

    Ah, an explanation for the logically elusive suicide bomber.

    It is also a fairly powerfult statement that reflects something that all of us know deep down- that it is the fleeting nature of life that makes it all the more special.

    Death gives life its beauty.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I live so I can tell being dead to go stuff it....
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Damn, I had to put on Antichrist Superstar now. I agree with you Ahnimus. Get behind the worst showman-isms and drama, and he has some points and great lyrics. At least in the antichrist-mechanical-holy wood period.

    As for the point about life being pointless without death, I would somewhat agree. Just as there must be evil to know good, there must be death to know life. Think of Tolkien's description of the immortal elves vs the mortal humans. The elves are aloof, set in routine and merely exist to a larger extent, while humans have the drive and will to really do things as they will die anyway, and know their time is limited. The brightest flame burns the quickest and all that.

    Peace
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    - Marilyn Manson

    Ah, an explanation for the logically elusive suicide bomber.

    Would removing a few ribs really make masturbation a thing of the past?

    Madonna is shooting vitamins with a needle into her blood stream like heroin now ..it's the nouveau hollywood rage apparently...


    What would ying be without yang?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    did you ever hear the little dispute he had with the New Radicals?

    their one-hit wonder song included lyrics of them kicking manson's ass.... manson wasn't so happy about it... he thought they were offensive...... that's when i figured that he wasn't as "dark" and "cold" as he portrayed himself.

    my cousin had a friend who was a killer hot model.... says manson screwed her once but it only took him 2 minutes.... great story.

    I remember the lyrics from the New Radicals song "You get what you give"

    I know Manson isn't such a bad guy, I watched him speak about Columbine and he was pretty insightful.

    Check out this clip of him on Family Guy
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=g6EZjWdr3YA
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I remember the lyrics from the New Radicals song "You get what you give"

    I know Manson isn't such a bad guy, I watched him speak about Columbine and he was pretty insightful.

    Check out this clip of him on Family Guy
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=g6EZjWdr3YA
    awesome link... i love family guy
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    ...

    Check out this clip of him on Family Guy
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=g6EZjWdr3YA

    :D Thanks Ryan!
    NOPE!!!

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