Deception 101

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  • hailhailkc
    hailhailkc Posts: 582
    miller8966 wrote:
    Its better than havign him cry alot, hug trees, actually participate in protests, be a vegetarian, and do drugs.

    I know. I was being sarcastic. I'm white, bald, Republican, live in the suburbs, and enjoy a good domestic brew just about every weekend.
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  • acutejam
    acutejam Posts: 1,433
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, basically the story is wrong.

    It's just a mathematical trick. If you think of it in different terms. They each paid $8.33~ for the room. Out of the original $30 they have $1 each back, that's $3 and the bellboy has $2, so in total they paid $25 for the room, not $27 and it's $8.33~ each. $25 plus the $3 they got back, plus the $2 the bellboy has is $30. But if we say since they paid $10 to start and got $1 back that they paid $9 each and it totals $27 and the bellboy has $2 totalling $29, it looks like $1 is missing.

    I don't know how to explain it any better. No money is missing, but you can see how major corporate accounts cook their books all the time.

    Wow. And to think you can't figure out what a human shield is....
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  • hailhailkc
    hailhailkc Posts: 582
    acutejam wrote:
    Wow. And to think you can't figure out what a human shield is....

    Uh, oh. :D This should be interesting…
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  • acutejam
    acutejam Posts: 1,433
    Well he asked in two or three threads yesterday and I'm just here to help.
    He never said thank you....
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    acutejam wrote:
    Wow. And to think you can't figure out what a human shield is....

    I know what a "human shield" is, I've actually read HRW's definition of it.

    My question was, where is the proof that Hibullah uses "human shields"?

    It's kind of like this math problem, how many people walk away not actually knowing where the $1 went but figuring it's justified anyway. I haven't seen any evidence of Hizbullah using Human Shields and until I do, I will continue to question the result.
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  • hailhailkc
    hailhailkc Posts: 582
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I know what a "human shield" is, I've actually read HRW's definition of it.

    My question was, where is the proof that Hibullah uses "human shields"?

    It's kind of like this math problem, how many people walk away not actually knowing where the $1 went but figuring it's justified anyway. I haven't seen any evidence of Hizbullah using Human Shields and until I do, I will continue to question the result.

    And what evidence do you have that clearly shows that Israel purposefully…PURPOSEFULLY…targets innocent civilians??? I haven't seen any of that. And don't show me a picture of a destroyed building in Lebanon, because that's not proof of anything. For all you know, the building could have been a base for staging operations for Hezzbollah, etc.

    And don't show me a pic of a dead child either, because you still can't prove that they were targeted ON PURPOSE.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,294
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I know what a "human shield" is, I've actually read HRW's definition of it.

    My question was, where is the proof that Hibullah uses "human shields"?

    It's kind of like this math problem, how many people walk away not actually knowing where the $1 went but figuring it's justified anyway. I haven't seen any evidence of Hizbullah using Human Shields and until I do, I will continue to question the result.

    They are firing their rockets out of civilian neighborhoods. They store their weapons in civilian neighborhoods. If that ain't proof enough, then you'll never get it. And the liberals say the Republicans have the blinders on.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hailhailkc wrote:
    And what evidence do you have that clearly shows that Israel purposefully…PURPOSEFULLY…targets innocent civilians??? I haven't seen any of that. And don't show me a picture of a destroyed building in Lebanon, because that's not proof of anything. For all you know, the building could have been a base for staging operations for Hezzbollah, etc.

    I haven't said that Israel "purposefully" targets innocent civilians. I think they target civilians believing there to be Hizbullah present and also they dropped leaflets warning the Lebonese people as justification if any civilians die. However, that doesn't work with the geneva convention. They still have to take care not to harm civilians and maintain proportionality.
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  • hailhailkc
    hailhailkc Posts: 582
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I haven't said that Israel "purposefully" targets innocent civilians. I think they target civilians believing there to be Hizbullah present and also they dropped leaflets warning the Lebonese people as justification if any civilians die. However, that doesn't work with the geneva convention. They still have to take care not to harm civilians and maintain proportionality.

    Okay, fair enough. My bad. I apologize.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    They are firing their rockets out of civilian neighborhoods. They store their weapons in civilian neighborhoods. If that ain't proof enough, then you'll never get it. And the liberals say the Republicans have the blinders on.

    Oh I see, so since "Bootlegger10" says it, it must be true. I've seen statements from both sides on this issue, but no one has delivered any proof either way.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,294
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Oh I see, so since "Bootlegger10" says it, it must be true. I've seen statements from both sides on this issue, but no one has delivered any proof either way.

    Isn't it pretty fucking obvious? Where are their bases? Ah yes, they have known. So they must just be shoooting these missiles and planning these attacks out in some field somewhere.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Isn't it pretty fucking obvious? Where are their bases? Ah yes, they have known. So they must just be shoooting these missiles and planning these attacks out in some field somewhere.

    Well according to Israel their bases are all over the fucking country. According to Israel 30% of southern Beirut was Hizbullah occupied.

    I've seen the videos the Israel Ministry of Foreign Relations released showing a mobile rocket launcher fire a missile and then drive into a building. That doesn't mean there are 50 children inside the building aswell.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soaks the pages
    soaks the pages Posts: 91
    miller8966 wrote:
    Its better than havign him cry alot, hug trees, actually participate in protests, be a vegetarian, and do drugs.

    the only part of this thread that i cannot figure out is why being a vegetarian is a bad thing. ........??
    that's faarkokte.
  • acutejam
    acutejam Posts: 1,433
    hailhailkc wrote:
    And don't show me a picture of a destroyed building in Lebanon, because that's not proof of anything. For all you know, the building could have been a base for staging operations for Hezzbollah, etc.

    And don't show me a pic of a dead child either, because you still can't prove that they were targeted ON PURPOSE.

    And everytime you've asked in each thread, I've pointed you to UNIFIL -- that'd be the UN forces in lebanon, their daily reports, not photos, words of the "sacred" UN. Shall I try again?

    Pretty much a daily occurance, daily reports here for your perusal.
    http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/mission...nifilpress.htm
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