Does God want you to be rich?

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    I'm honored to be able to share the good news with you. Jesus is the son of God. God stepped into human history 2000 years ago as a man to live among His creation. There is only one true God revealed in three persons, God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. God made man perfect in the begining with Adam and Eve. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree God had forbid them to eat from they introduced sin into the world. From that point on man has been a slave to sin.God is perfect and rightous we are full of sin. In order for us to be reunited with God there had to be something done to restablish the broken relationship between God and man. Enter Jesus, born of the Virgin Mary. He lived a perfect life, the only human ever to be without sin. He was God in human form therefore he could not sin because He was divine. Jesus came to die for all the sins of man past,present and future. With out His shed blood we would all be damned to spend eternity apart from God. Since Christ was perfect His blood was an exceptible payment for our sin so that we may enter into Gods presence once again. Christ did this as a gift to us, all we have to do to recieve the gift is simply repent of our sins and admit we are sinners and we are in need of a Savior believe that Jesus is our Savior and ask him to enter our heart and change us to what He intended us to be. Jesus loves you and he suffered and died so you could have eternal life. Thank you Lord for your mercy and Grace!

    But I don't want eternal life. So what does any of the above have to do with me?
  • snowcovereddunn
    snowcovereddunn Posts: 27
    farfromglorified wrote:
    But I don't want eternal life. So what does any of the above have to do with me?

    Well picture all that was,is,and will be good in your life. Think of how happy these times have made you. Now picture all the bad,sick,nasty and evil that has accoured in your life, not the best stuff to think about right? When you die you pass on to eternity. It is either eternity with God or without Him. With Him you live forever in those good happy times because everything that is good is from God. With out God you will spend eternity with out any chance of good ever again. This is refered to as hell the seperation from God forever. Right now you chose wheter to know God or not to. When you die you no longer have that choice. It depends on the choice you make right now this moment. If you are with Him now then you will see heaven, if you are not with Him before you die then you will apart forever(hell). God simply gives what you choose, He is not out to condem you, He wants a relationship with you, and He wants it to start right away before it is to late to go back.
    Arms wide open with the sea as his floor.....
    Believe in things again like when you were a child.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    Well picture all that was,is,and will be good in your life. Think of how happy these times have made you. Now picture all the bad,sick,nasty and evil that has accoured in your life, not the best stuff to think about right? When you die you pass on to eternity. It is either eternity with God or without Him. With Him you live forever in those good happy times because everything that is good is from God. With out God you will spend eternity with out any chance of good ever again. This is refered to as hell the seperation from God forever. Right now you chose wheter to know God or not to. When you die you no longer have that choice. It depends on the choice you make right now this moment. If you are with Him now then you will see heaven, if you are not with Him before you die then you will apart forever(hell). God simply gives what you choose, He is not out to condem you, He wants a relationship with you, and He wants it to start right away before it is to late to go back.

    So let me get this straight: In order to get a lifetime of all that "was, is and will be good" in my life, I have to sacrifice it all to something called God based on nothing more than your promise that I'll get it all back after I'm dead?

    Perhaps it might help if I rephrase. I already have that which was is and will be good in my life. Why on earth would I give it up to then get it back? Why not just keep it? You say God wants a "relationship" with me. Ok. What does he have to offer?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Lizard wrote:
    not sure if God wants everyone to be rich but he sure as hell wants everyone to get a Grammy!!! why else is he always thanked when one is won???
    ...
    I think He also wants them to score touchdowns and hit home runs, too.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • snowcovereddunn
    snowcovereddunn Posts: 27
    farfromglorified wrote:
    So let me get this straight: In order to get a lifetime of all that "was, is and will be good" in my life, I have to sacrifice it all to something called God based on nothing more than your promise that I'll get it all back after I'm dead?

    Perhaps it might help if I rephrase. I already have that which was is and will be good in my life. Why on earth would I give it up to then get it back? Why not just keep it? You say God wants a "relationship" with me. Ok. What does he have to offer?

    Forever as oppose to 60-80 years.
    Arms wide open with the sea as his floor.....
    Believe in things again like when you were a child.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    Forever as oppose to 60-80 years.

    I already told you -- I'm not interested in "eternal life".
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    Well like I had mentioned, no one can really fulfill this, I don't. The awesome thing is Jesus paid the price for our sins, I've broken all ten commandments a number of times over I deserve to be punished. Thankfully Christ took that for me and for you because of the unfathomable love He has for us.
    ...
    You've bowed before guilded images of other gods? Banged your neighbor's wife? Stole shit? Murdered someone?
    and you can get away with all of that because you lean heavily on Jesus and dump all of your sins on Him?
    Where I haven't done anything like that... except, lied... and stole shit when I was a kid... and I'm accepting all of my sins as my own and not dumping my faults on Jesus because I don't think He was here to take on my crap, but to teach me the right path to take in this life... and I'M going to Hell?
    I don't get it.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • snowcovereddunn
    snowcovereddunn Posts: 27
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I already told you -- I'm not interested in "eternal life".

    The problem you will enter into a type of eternity. It will be eternally with God or without, either way you are spending it some where, I'm sorry.
    Arms wide open with the sea as his floor.....
    Believe in things again like when you were a child.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    The problem you will enter into a type of eternity. It will be eternally with God or without, either way you are spending it some where, I'm sorry.
    ...
    Or possibility in a void where nothingness is the only thing that exists.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    The problem you will enter into a type of eternity. It will be eternally with God or without, either way you are spending it some where, I'm sorry.

    But it doesn't sound like God has anything I want, short of some kind of bizarre blackmail deal.
  • snowcovereddunn
    snowcovereddunn Posts: 27
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    You've bowed before guiklded images of other gods? Banged your neighbor's wife? Stole shit? Murdered someone?
    and you can get away with all of that because you lean heavily on Jesus and dump all of your sins on Him?
    Where I haven't done anything like that... except, lied... and stole shit when I was a kid... and I'm accepting all of my sins as my own and not dumping my faults on Jesus because I don't think He was here to take on my crap, but to teach me the right path to take in this life... and I'M going to Hell?
    I don't get it.

    Have you ever worshiped anything other than God, like money or a rock band?
    Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?
    Have you ever gotten back more change than you should of from the cashier and kept it?
    Have you ever hated anyone, even your enemy?
    Then guess what you are in the same boat as me.
    I take full responsiblity for what I have done. And I accept that I need to be punished. Because Jesus has pardoned me for my sin does not mean that I wont have to answer for them. I will have to feel the shame and hurt and embarassment when I stand before Him and he shows me all my sin I ever commited and when He looks into my eyes and asks me"why did you hurt your Father, when all I ever wanted was to love you?" That will be the worst and best day of my exsistence. You see He did come for you, he wants you to release your baggage on Him and turn from your old life into a new life in Him. If you have a bible look at the bibles most famous verse John 3:16
    "For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." You don't have to be lost any more pray that Jesus would enter your heart and repent of your sins. It is the most important decision you will ever make.
    Arms wide open with the sea as his floor.....
    Believe in things again like when you were a child.
  • snowcovereddunn
    snowcovereddunn Posts: 27
    farfromglorified wrote:
    But it doesn't sound like God has anything I want, short of some kind of bizarre blackmail deal.

    With God everthing makes sense. You find your meaning and purpose in this life. He can take away all of your hurt and sorrow if you will just let Him. God can offer you a mulitude more than this life ever could. You have it bulit in you to want to know and be apart of something much bigger than yourself, listen to that voice, it is God whispering to you how badly He wants to know you.
    Arms wide open with the sea as his floor.....
    Believe in things again like when you were a child.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    With God everthing makes sense.

    You mean like the part where someone eating an apple somehow makes me a sinner? Or was it the part where sacrificing everything good in my life somehow gives me more good?
    You find your meaning and purpose in this life.

    I already have.
    He can take away all of your hurt and sorrow if you will just let Him.

    But I don't have hurt and sorrow. The meaning of my life is the avoidance of such things through the pursuit of their opposites, comfort and happiness.
    God can offer you a mulitude more than this life ever could.

    Like what?
    You have it bulit in you to want to know and be apart of something much bigger than yourself

    No I don't. I have it built in that I want to be myself.
  • snowcovereddunn
    snowcovereddunn Posts: 27
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You mean like the part where someone eating an apple somehow makes me a sinner? Or was it the part where sacrificing everything good in my life somehow gives me more good?



    I already have.



    But I don't have hurt and sorrow. The meaning of my life is the avoidance of such things through the pursuit of their opposites, comfort and happiness.



    Like what?



    No I don't. I have it built in that I want to be myself.

    Someday you will need Him and He will be right there waiting. God Bless!
    Arms wide open with the sea as his floor.....
    Believe in things again like when you were a child.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    The problem you will enter into a type of eternity. It will be eternally with God or without, either way you are spending it some where, I'm sorry.

    There is no god or eternal life. The only heaven possible is the earth we live on....the sooner we start figuring that out the better. Because we are trashing this one beautiful place that we do know for sure exists, in hopes of a glorious afterlife void sorrow and pain. Man (especially men that suffered greatly) created god to make some kind of hope, something to live for. The answer isn't in a god, the answer is in yourself. We will all spend eternity having a dirt nap...rich, poor, terrorists, saints, jessica simpson, all the same in the end.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    Someday you will need Him and He will be right there waiting. God Bless!

    From everything you've said here, it sounds like he needs me, rather than vice versa.

    Be well,

    Jeff
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    snowcovereddunn wrote:
    Have you ever worshiped anything other than God, like money or a rock band?
    Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?
    Have you ever gotten back more change than you should of from the cashier and kept it?
    Have you ever hated anyone, even your enemy?
    Then guess what you are in the same boat as me.
    I take full responsiblity for what I have done. And I accept that I need to be punished. Because Jesus has pardoned me for my sin does not mean that I wont have to answer for them. I will have to feel the shame and hurt and embarassment when I stand before Him and he shows me all my sin I ever commited and when He looks into my eyes and asks me"why did you hurt your Father, when all I ever wanted was to love you?" That will be the worst and best day of my exsistence. You see He did come for you, he wants you to release your baggage on Him and turn from your old life into a new life in Him. If you have a bible look at the bibles most famous verse John 3:16
    "For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." You don't have to be lost any more pray that Jesus would enter your heart and repent of your sins. It is the most important decision you will ever make.
    ...
    Am i an angel? No... far from it.
    but...

    Have you ever worshiped anything other than God, like money or a rock band?
    No. Not money... not a rock band. Money is a need, not a want and Music is a background. I cannot think of anything I have worshipped.

    Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?
    It's a sin to imagine how great it would be to love a woman and have her love me back? Is that considered lust? I NEVER think in terms of rape... if that's what you're asking. I'm one of those old fashioned dudes that still places women on a pedestal.
    And I'm sure I've had my sweet tight ass oggled by gals... and guys. So what?

    Have you ever gotten back more change than you should of from the cashier and kept it?
    Not that I am aware of... if I notice, I square up because I think things have a way of evening up. I'm guessing, I've been short changed in my life, too... but... oh, well... it all works out. I did find a 100 dollar bill in a parking lot once... turns out that my plumbing backed up and guess what it cost to have the plumber roto-rooter it out? 125 bucks.

    Have you ever hated anyone, even your enemy?
    Hate is murder? Then, I've been murdered by a few members from this board.

    I can understand if you committed to these things in the past... as a kid... not knowing they are punishible sins... but, do you continue to worship money, lust after women, knowingly keep change you know is not yours and hate others now? Shouldn't you stop doing these things if you know they are wrong? Or can we rely on Jesus to continually pardon us for our continual screw ups?
    If I thought that thinking about how nice it would be to love a woman and have her love me back is a sin... I wouldn't think it's a sin because I ain't a puritan eunuch.
    And come the day I have to stand and face Jesus... I want to hand Him as small a bag as possible. If He tells me I shouldn't have admired women so much... I'll straight out tell Him, "Then your Dad shouldn't have made them so beautiful. If He didn't want me to admire them so much, He should have made them look more like Aardvarks and lined the walls of their vaginas with treble hooks... that would have cured me." I'm guessing Jesus is a lot cooler and less judgemental as you say He is. And if you're right and He is a judgemental prick... then, maybe spending eternity with Him wouldn't be so much fun.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Ali
    Ali Posts: 2,621
    I have always felt that with making a considerable amount of money,
    even $52,000 a year,one has more new friends waiting for a dollar to fall
    their way for about 10 seconds until the 11th second when they can't wait anymore and feel compelled to steal it out of your pocket.I can not imagine what the wealthy go through.

    Another example,having a job where you are expected to acheive wealth.
    That revolves around the same door.I am much better off making a lesser amount of money, with real friends and family.

    As far as the Bible goes,"those who are poor in spirit are lucky indeed".
    This DOES not mean that one cannot acheive wealth and still be poor in spirit.

    LIving with or without money depends on your living situation and what makes you truely HAPPY and CONSISTANT in your SPIRITUAL LIFE and in
    ALL THAT YOU DO.



    :)
    so if you have money,good for you,
    and if you don't,good for you.
    It's all in your relationship with GOd and Jesus,Right?
    BUT
    FIRST IMPRESSIONS REALLY MATTER AND YOU MUST LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY.WHAT COMES OUT OF THEIR LIPS,IS REALLY WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
    BE SMART,BE SAFE,BE IN LOVE WITH ONE ANOTHER.



    ADEV:D
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    52K/yr is like lower middle class in Cali. It's more than what I make. I make $42K/yr, but I have to rent a room and drive a corolla. God must hate me.
    reigning champion

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Ali wrote:
    I have always felt that with making a considerable amount of money,even $52,000 a year,one has more new friends waiting for a dollar to fall their way for about 10 seconds until the 11th second when they can't wait anymore and feel compelled to steal it out of your pocket.I can not imagine what the wealthy go through.

    Another example,having a job where you are expected to acheive wealth.
    That revolves around the same door.I am much better off making a lesser amount of money, with real friends and family.

    As far as the Bible goes,"those who are poor in spirit are lucky indeed".
    This DOES not mean that one cannot acheive wealth and still be poor in spirit.

    LIving with or without money depends on your living situation and what makes you truely HAPPY and CONSISTANT in your SPIRITUAL LIFE and in
    ALL THAT YOU DO.

    :)
    so if you have money,good for you,
    and if you don't,good for you.
    It's all in your relationship with GOd and Jesus,Right?
    BUT
    FIRST IMPRESSIONS REALLY MATTER AND YOU MUST LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY.WHAT COMES OUT OF THEIR LIPS,IS REALLY WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
    BE SMART,BE SAFE,BE IN LOVE WITH ONE ANOTHER.

    ADEV:D
    ...
    I have a couple of thoughts, not rebuttals or debates, relating to this...
    Regarding 'friends' waiting for your money to drop their way are not friends. I would advise you to steer clear of 'friends' that will steal from you. Never lend or borrow money from friends or family... if you want to help someone out... give it as if it will never be re-paid... it it is re-paid, good.
    Working stiffs do not get wealthy. They usually just want to earn enough to raise a family. From what I have learned, the ones that earn wealth working for a company, earn it at a price. That price is their time... time spent on the job... not with family... not with friends. Your job allows you to live... you life should never revolve around your job. Keep your life at the center and let the material things revolve around you.
    And wealth is sometimes attained by keeping every dollar you earn and accumulating material goods. I'm not impressed by a new car or a Rolex watch or a diamond ring... to me, it's just stuff. People who are impressed by material things are usually people I'm not too impressed with. If you judge a person's character by the type of car they drive... I believe you are way off the mark and need to re-assess your criteria on what makes a good person. I am more impressed with people who show me honest, integrity and kindness... positive human traits that reveal their humanity... regardless of their financial standings.
    And from what I remember... the Bible also says something about a camel and the eye of a needle regarding wealth... but, I forget.
    And I do not believe in first impressions. I know that there is no way you can learn anything about me without getting to know me by investing some time spent with me... and vice versa. People can say whatever they want.. including the things they know you want to hear. It is through repeated demonstrations of their acts, that I get a better understanding of the persons I call my friends. I can guarantee you that if I introduce a person to you as my friend... that person is a good person.
    And you can have a relationship with God and Jesus and still be an asshole... just as you can not believe in either God or Jesus and still be kind. Neither one is mutually exclusive to the other... there are kind and asshole Christians, just as there are kind and asshole aetheists.
    And yeah... we should love each other. Trust me... I'm trying... I'm really trying. But, there are so many people that make that task so difficult.
    I believe we are placed here to learn and experience... I think if we just tried to live and be happy and quit trying to control the persons and things we cannot control, we'd all be better off.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!

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