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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    I got you on behaviorism but to me there is no way you can predict how most people will act outside of a controlled environment. Skinner did the things with shocks, right, and soon the picking of the less painful item became predictable. But that's a controlled experiment. There may be a science devoted to it but how a person will act is influenced by so many other factors that we will not know about, their past experiences, their current mood, their perception of the event at hand.

    I don't know, I'm pretty damn good at predicting behavior.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's very predictable.

    I want to make sweet manlove to you.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    And while behaviourism had hegemony in the early parts of the 1900s with BF Skinner and the gang, it has long since ceased to be the end-all explanation of human behaviour. Mostly because of the reasons people point out in the thread. Behaviourism works fine within it's own limited scope. But it is far from providing anything close to a full explanation on the subject.

    Which is why in Psychology 101 we learn about Skinner, behaviourism and conditioning, but we move on to other theories and fields within psychology which is more "up to date". Behaviourism is to psychology what Newtonian physics are to physics. You get great results and clear rules given certain conditions, but a whole new world opens up the moment it is clear that the conditions may be insufficient to explain the world at large.

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    Thanks for sharing that Dan. It's interesting to know. :)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    Isn't that what separates us from most other creatures is because of our unpredictabilty??


    what separates us from the animals is our ability to accessorise. :D:p







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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    I want to make sweet manlove to you.

    actually i guess that would be "with" you.

    anyhoo. now i have to go hit myself a few times in the jaw. just to prove a point about predictability.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    gue_barium wrote:
    I want to make sweet manlove to you.

    metsy's loaning me the video camera. ;) We might be able to get some action out of u 2 on this one. :D lol
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  • gossardstradlin
    gossardstradlin Posts: 324
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't know, I'm pretty damn good at predicting behavior.

    lol. Yeah sometimes unfortunately I watch the news and nothing really shocks me anymore.

    I guess an example of this for me is when the guy lept on the man and saved him from the subway in New York. Here is a guy who has a family and everything to lose and he makes a split decision to jump and save a stranger while the train goes over him. Now, I doubt anybody could have predicted that behavior.
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    And that failure's no success at all."

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Thought, behavior, people.

    perhaps on a broad generalised scale, yes. but individually, not so much.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    angelica wrote:
    Thanks for sharing that Dan. It's interesting to know. :)
    That was a good infopost, i agree.
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  • gossardstradlin
    gossardstradlin Posts: 324
    gue_barium wrote:
    I want to make sweet manlove to you.

    Check that. This shocked me, and very unpredictable. :)
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

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    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    angelica wrote:
    metsy's loaning me the video camera. ;) We might be able to get some action out of u 2 on this one. :D lol

    This could be good. Girl on girl, boy on boy, and we don't even need Ron Jeremy.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    gue_barium wrote:
    This could be good. Girl on girl, boy on boy, and we don't even need Ron Jeremy.
    Ron who??? ;)
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Here is something predictable. It's lunchtime, I'm off to eat some dead murdered animal.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    angelica wrote:
    Ron who??? ;)

    Don't get your daughter involved in this.


    Oh, that was bad.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    Check that. This shocked me, and very unpredictable. :)

    no no gue barium's comment about making sweet manlove with ahnimus was not unpredictable. it stood to reason someone would try and throw in what they thought was an unpredictable statement. thus rendering the unpredictable predictable. :D
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  • gossardstradlin
    gossardstradlin Posts: 324
    catefrances wrote:
    no no gue barium's comment about making sweet manlove with ahnimus was not unpredictable. it stood to reason someone would try and throw in what they thought was an unpredictable statement. thus rendering the unpredictable predictable. :D

    Gotcha ;). Learning more and more about the peeps on the board. :P
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    And that failure's no success at all."

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    lucylespian wrote:
    Here is something predictable. It's lunchtime, I'm off to eat some dead murdered animal.

    I would hope it's dead. "dead-murdered-eat-lunchtime". That's an unpredicted concept. I'll have to think about this. So far all I've got is Jodie Foster.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Sorry kids but I'm audi!! :D (I do soooo love Clueless! ;) )

    I'll have to come back to this later, and a real shame given that it was just getting excitin'!! :D

    So angelica you keep that room warm for me would you darlin? ;)

    And mets love, bugger off with the camera!! HAVE I TAUGHT YOU NOTHING?? :p

    gue, lucy, cate, anybody else I've missed, be good to see you all later, this is a very interesting conversation, and I think one of the pits better efforts, although I haven't checked the vagina monologues today!! :D

    Anhnimus, you just keep on ignoring me if that's what gets you through, but I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in you. I FEEL like you've observed, rationalized, and decided that my opinion is not worthy of your response. Of course as lucy said this is a message board so maybe, I've misinterpreted that. BUT it would be nice to hear more discussion Ryan. :)

    OLS, you rock! :) And hope you are feeling better soon. :) AND of course I'm sending you all my positive energy, imagination and love as usual. Take care. :)

    ciao all! Have a great day!!!! :)
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    no no gue barium's comment about making sweet manlove with ahnimus was not unpredictable. it stood to reason someone would try and throw in what they thought was an unpredictable statement. thus rendering the unpredictable predictable. :D

    "Stood to Reason" and "predictiblity" are not one in the same.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    perhaps on a broad generalised scale, yes. but individually, not so much.

    As much as predicting the weather.
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