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sonicreducer
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edited November 2006 in A Moving Train
in anatomy lab today we dissected a cow eye. there were 40 pictures in the lab manual. did we really have to euthanize that cow so we could pick at that eye and throw it away ten minutes later? i told my TA i wouldn't do it, and she let me watch another group.

i understand that experimenting is necessary to save lives, but should we all be dissecting eyeballs in college? that has to be a million cows a year. what a fucking waste of life.

those poor cow bastards,...
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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    sonicreducer wrote:
    in anatomy lab today we dissected a cow eye. there were 40 pictures in the lab manual. did we really have to euthanize that cow so we could pick at that eye and throw it away ten minutes later? i told my TA i wouldn't do it, and she let me watch another group.

    i understand that experimenting is necessary to save lives, but should we all be dissecting eyeballs in college? that has to be a million cows a year. what a fucking waste of life.

    those poor cow bastards,...

    humans are sick f's. unfortunate but true.
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  • Ahnimus
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    sonicreducer wrote:
    in anatomy lab today we dissected a cow eye. there were 40 pictures in the lab manual. did we really have to euthanize that cow so we could pick at that eye and throw it away ten minutes later? i told my TA i wouldn't do it, and she let me watch another group.

    i understand that experimenting is necessary to save lives, but should we all be dissecting eyeballs in college? that has to be a million cows a year. what a fucking waste of life.

    those poor cow bastards,...

    Well, one point is that the cow wouldn't have existed if not to disect it. As the dominant species we breed animals for our purpose, if we didn't they wouldn't exist in those environments. Those environments would be for growing corn or parking our cars.

    On the other hand, it has to be rough on Hindus that believe the cow is sacred.
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    sonicreducer wrote:
    in anatomy lab today we dissected a cow eye. there were 40 pictures in the lab manual. did we really have to euthanize that cow so we could pick at that eye and throw it away ten minutes later? i told my TA i wouldn't do it, and she let me watch another group.

    i understand that experimenting is necessary to save lives, but should we all be dissecting eyeballs in college? that has to be a million cows a year. what a fucking waste of life.

    those poor cow bastards,...

    i doubt the cow was euthanized for you to dissect the eye...it was prob left over from some other purpose. Or perhaps all the eyes dissected in college are from cows who died naturally in a pasture somewhere...then it's not a waste of life it's a good use of something that has no more life.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Maybe this is a strong moral case for funding and advancement of stem cell research? Students need hands-on knowledge of the physical matter they're dealing with, but when research is done on cells rather than a huge living being, no obvious physical harm or damage is done that will cause hurt that we can quantify in terms of emotional distress. Surely the abstract concept of spiritual human waste should matter less, to anyone who deals in science with matters of practical ethics, than the reality of the physical waste of a living animal capable of experiencing emotional and physical suffering?


    I'm not a scientist by any stretch of imagination, sonicreducer. I'm really just asking questions.
  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    Its not like killing the cow taking the eyeball and throwing the rest away. More than likely it's the other way round we're your school goes and collects the useful leftovers and uses them were they can. Sorry bit gruesome but that's life sometimes.
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  • CJMST3K
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, one point is that the cow wouldn't have existed if not to disect it. As the dominant species we breed animals for our purpose, if we didn't they wouldn't exist in those environments. Those environments would be for growing corn or parking our cars.

    On the other hand, it has to be rough on Hindus that believe the cow is sacred.

    I think if we do this, then we should also breed humans for organ transplants. Send them to "summer camp" from birth until we need to harvest them. It's better to have lived-and-lost then to never have lived at all.
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  • crittables
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    sonicreducer wrote:
    in anatomy lab today we dissected a cow eye. there were 40 pictures in the lab manual. did we really have to euthanize that cow so we could pick at that eye and throw it away ten minutes later? i told my TA i wouldn't do it, and she let me watch another group.

    i understand that experimenting is necessary to save lives, but should we all be dissecting eyeballs in college? that has to be a million cows a year. what a fucking waste of life.

    those poor cow bastards,...


    what's sad is i had to do that in elementary school!! well we didn't do the actual disecting, but in 2nd grade the nurse did and groups of about 5 of us watched! we did a lung and heart too, i forget which grades.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    crittables wrote:
    what's sad is i had to do that in elementary school!! well we didn't do the actual disecting, but in 2nd grade the nurse did and groups of about 5 of us watched! we did a lung and heart too, i forget which grades.


    Seriously? We got a rat. But a cow? At school? Wow.
  • BlackCorduroy
    BlackCorduroy Posts: 1,374
    My school does cats. Its pretty disgusting, I went by the room and all i could picture was someones pet lying there on the table to be cut open.


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  • trappedinmyradio
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    how do you know it was euthanized?
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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    how do you know it was euthanized?

    i asked my professor, who is also head of the lab. clemson buys them from a big company who does euthanize animals for educational purposes. it isn't limited to cows. the majority of the animals we dissect are actually smaller animals.

    there are other things i didn't mention earlier that have contributed to my dissapointment in the matter.

    firstly: i will only remember it for the lab practical and it is highly unlikely that i will ever need the information again. is that worth a life? i take high regard to all forms of life.

    secondly: clemson is a big university. the only reason they dissect all that shit is to make their program look cool. the amount of information we are required to learn and the time we spend versus the time we should actually spend to make it worthwhile is sad.

    my solution is not to ban all animals from being used for educational purposes, but to put limits on it.

    i am in college to teach high school biology. there are a thousand pictures of dissected eyeballs that i could show my students. there is no reason to actually do it.

    if a student is in medical school and will actually be performing studies or surgeries then yes, of course, use it,... but come on, does every average joe have to dissect a rat, a cow eye, a cat, a frog, a lamprey, a dogfish shark, a perch, a frog again, a rat again (but bigger) all in the same semester? (this is from anatomy and vertebrate biology combined)

    i don't remember shit, and hey, i could reference a book,...

    it just seems like a waste to me,...
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  • sonicreducer
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    BlackCorduroy wrote:

    BTW why is this thread titled "free porn"? :confused:



    to get attention to my thread

    to stir up something

    it was idiotic really,...

    plus, some kid in class was talking about how porn is getting really bad and his little brother called him to give him some website to check out a 'hot bimbo'. it was kind of funny and really sad at the same time.
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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Maybe this is a strong moral case for funding and advancement of stem cell research? Students need hands-on knowledge of the physical matter they're dealing with, but when research is done on cells rather than a huge living being, no obvious physical harm or damage is done that will cause hurt that we can quantify in terms of emotional distress. Surely the abstract concept of spiritual human waste should matter less, to anyone who deals in science with matters of practical ethics, than the reality of the physical waste of a living animal capable of experiencing emotional and physical suffering?


    I'm not a scientist by any stretch of imagination, sonicreducer. I'm really just asking questions.

    i see your point and i basically agree. histology is important, but so is seeing a real eye,... if you're going to be an eye doctor. not for every kid who takes anatomy though in a big ass public college,...
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    sonicreducer wrote:
    i see your point and i basically agree. histology is important, but so is seeing a real eye,... if you're going to be an eye doctor. not for every kid who takes anatomy though in a big ass public college,...


    Yep. That's why I was stunned when, reading this thread, I saw that we were talking about these animals just being brought into a school class! :eek:
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Are you sure the cow was already used for beef and leather?

    I'm against factory farming, because it's dehumanizing for the workers, environmentally disasterous and unhealthy. I have no problems, however, with slicing up a cow. It's a fucking cow.
  • hippiemom
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    BlackCorduroy wrote:
    BTW why is this thread titled "free porn"? :confused:
    That's what I wanna know! I feel ripped off :(
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  • sonicreducer
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    Kenny Olav wrote:
    Are you sure the cow was already used for beef and leather?

    I'm against factory farming, because it's dehumanizing for the workers, environmentally disasterous and unhealthy. I have no problems, however, with slicing up a cow. It's a fucking cow.

    well, im sure it's more complicated than was presented to me. i simply asked my professor if animals were euthanized for our lab and she simply replied yes.

    i would assume that cows that are used for mass food product also get used for educational purposes.

    still, it is troubling. there are also many other animals that we have dissected that we could have just looked at pictures and gotten the same information.

    i understand your point about it being a cow, but the average consumer has no clue how fortunate they are to have that cow to eat. how often do you give thanks to that fucking cow for filling up your tummy?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    sonicreducer wrote:
    how often do you give thanks to that fucking cow for filling up your tummy?

    This is my version of saying grace

    "Thank you cow for this great feast, thank you beans and corn, thank you lard for this tasty gravy. Ahem, let's eat."
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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    sonicreducer wrote:
    how often do you give thanks to that fucking cow for filling up your tummy?

    i haven't eaten a cow in almost two years. the reason being i won't eat it unless I know its not factory farmed.

    but would i thank the cow...? not exactly. sometimes i say a prayer (to what? i'm not sure) for my food... i've been doing it less lately. i should do it more often.
  • halv
    halv Posts: 716
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, one point is that the cow wouldn't have existed if not to disect it. As the dominant species we breed animals for our purpose, if we didn't they wouldn't exist in those environments. Those environments would be for growing corn or parking our cars.

    On the other hand, it has to be rough on Hindus that believe the cow is sacred.

    So are you saying the cow should be thanking us? "Oh thank you kind human for breeding me so that I may live a horrible life and eventually be brutally slaughtered for your benefit. I'm so happy I got to live and die in agony rather than not live at all."
    You could use that dominant argument for anything. Adults have dominance over children, so should we breed them and them use them for experiements? Hey at least they had a life right, no matter how short?
    How about just having a respect for all life. Wow, what a concept.
    And...the vast majority of our land is already being used to grow grain...to feed cows!! It takes 16 pounds of grain to "create" 1 pound of beef. What a collosal waste of earths resources.

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