What would it take to get the Republican party off Morality and Religion......

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  • Posts: 10,560
    I just want to rub in the "In God We Trust" being printed on the sides of the coins and missing from about 50,000 coins.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_fe_st/godless_dollars
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Here is a question. Why is the republican party so closely related to christianity?
    It's not, really. Otherwise, the Republicans would clear about 80% of the popular vote every election.

    What they do have is a sizable voting block consisting of the dispensationalist/rapture-ready crowd who believe that their interpretation of Christianity is the only true religion, and any who stray (from the church or the party) are in danger of the judgement. Trying to tie Christianity to these folks in a negative way will likely only anger other Christians - perhaps even pushing them into the Republican fold themselves.
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    RainDog wrote:
    It's not, really. Otherwise, the Republicans would clear about 80% of the popular vote every election.

    What they do have is a sizable voting block consisting of the dispensationalist/rapture-ready crowd who believe that their interpretation of Christianity is the only true religion, and any who stray (from the church or the party) are in danger of the judgement. Trying to tie Christianity to these folks in a negative way will likely only anger other Christians - perhaps even pushing them into the Republican fold themselves.

    Sounds pretty gross man.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Posts: 1,350
    callen wrote:
    may sound condescending...but not meant to be......lets go with the whole gay thing...what does it really matter who someone's attracted to...I mean who gives a fk...and if you do give a fk...the one thats in any way bothered by who others are boinking has the problem..not the boinkers.

    I really don't care whether somebody is gay or straight. That was not the issue I had with that "followers" comment. It is the blind hypocrisy of the comment in somebody actually thinking they are better and more enlightened than someone else. Many on this board cannot even fathom the idea that there are different opinions out there and, if someone dares to hold a different opinion, then they are somehow stupid/ignorant/needing to "wake up"/not worthy of breathing the same air as the divine beings with whom they disagree/etc...
  • Posts: 1,824
    zstillings wrote:
    I really don't care whether somebody is gay or straight.
    Jeez, z. I never pegged you as someone with a prejudice against bisexuals, but there you go.
  • Posts: 6,388
    zstillings wrote:
    I really don't care whether somebody is gay or straight. That was not the issue I had with that "followers" comment. It is the blind hypocrisy of the comment in somebody actually thinking they are better and more enlightened than someone else. Many on this board cannot even fathom the idea that there are different opinions out there and, if someone dares to hold a different opinion, then they are somehow stupid/ignorant/needing to "wake up"/not worthy of breathing the same air as the divine beings with whom they disagree/etc...

    and I am sometimes guilty of this. Still though...if one human passes judgement on another because they get a rise (pun intended) from one gender rather than another...sorry...There is no logical reason for this...other than they have been told its bad and are going with it...or they feel somehow threatened by it which is even harder for me to digest. How I tied this to the thread is simple....many believe its wrong because they've been told this..and don't question or try to justify it....hence will follow what they're told more than a person that gives in some thought.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Posts: 1,350
    callen wrote:
    and I am sometimes guilty of this. Still though...if one human passes judgement on another because they get a rise (pun intended) from one gender rather than another...sorry...There is no logical reason for this...other than they have been told its bad and are going with it...or they feel somehow threatened by it which is even harder for me to digest. How I tied this to the thread is simple....many believe its wrong because they've been told this..and don't question or try to justify it....hence will follow what they're told more than a person that gives in some thought.

    Many think it's not wrong because they were told this too. But somehow they are less of a follower than the one who agrees with the only intelligent people on this board.
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    RainDog wrote:
    Jeez, z. I never pegged you as someone with a prejudice against bisexuals, but there you go.

    I don't really mind the bisexuals either. It's just the misleading transvestites that scare the hell out of me. Good thing I haven't picked wrong yet.
  • Posts: 6,388
    zstillings wrote:
    Many think it's not wrong because they were told this too. But somehow they are less of a follower than the one who agrees with the only intelligent people on this board.
    would they think it would be wrong? Whats the basis? Really want to understand. And yes I realize..you and I agree on this subject ..and I do also respect your questioning me..and do agree I can be obstinate on this subject..as well as abortion...just don't get it.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
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    callen wrote:
    would they think it would be wrong? Whats the basis? Really want to understand. And yes I realize..you and I agree on this subject ..and I do also respect your questioning me..and do agree I can be obstinate on this subject..as well as abortion...just don't get it.

    Some of it has to do with religion. Right or wrong, religion has been around for a long time and will continue to be around for a long time. Many people have a lot of faith in a God and believe, regardless of their upbringing, that the purpose of marriage and intercourse are to produce children. This is not my belief but I know many who do believe this and would not consider them followers. They have searched within their faith and have found this. They are not always as hateful as the God Hates Fags people and do not hate gay people at all. They just believe the act to be wrong. They are also guilty of exactly what I am questioning you on. I can be extremely obstinate as well so, believe me, I understand your nature.
  • Posts: 10,560
    zstillings wrote:
    Some of it has to do with religion. Right or wrong, religion has been around for a long time and will continue to be around for a long time. Many people have a lot of faith in a God and believe, regardless of their upbringing, that the purpose of marriage and intercourse are to produce children. This is not my belief but I know many who do believe this and would not consider them followers. They have searched within their faith and have found this. They are not always as hateful as the God Hates Fags people and do not hate gay people at all. They just believe the act to be wrong. They are also guilty of exactly what I am questioning you on. I can be extremely obstinate as well so, believe me, I understand your nature.

    Do they realize that the cause to act is motivation and the cause to motivation is biochemical and behavioral? The act it's self may be immoral, but people should know that it's not the cause of it's self. If a person's primary sexual drive is towards same-sex partners, then is that immoral? If the desire is not immoral, then how is the act immoral?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Posts: 6,388
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Do they realize that the cause to act is motivation and the cause to motivation is biochemical and behavioral? The act it's self may be immoral, but people should know that it's not the cause of it's self. If a person's primary sexual drive is towards same-sex partners, then is that immoral? If the desire is not immoral, then how is the act immoral?
    equate my sexual desire for women for other mens sexual desire for men...not something I chose...it just is. I do feel....we are evolving..and soon..maybe not in my lifetime...but soon relatively speaking...it won't matter.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Posts: 1,350
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Do they realize that the cause to act is motivation and the cause to motivation is biochemical and behavioral? The act it's self may be immoral, but people should know that it's not the cause of it's self. If a person's primary sexual drive is towards same-sex partners, then is that immoral? If the desire is not immoral, then how is the act immoral?

    They may not believe a word you just said. I am not saying that it is right or wrong. I am saying that any of us who put ourselves on a higher plane than then are hypocrites in as bad of a way as they are.
  • Posts: 13,202
    surferdude wrote:
    Please explain how the pro-gay and anti-life folks are not followers as well, who just accept what they are told and perfect for the democrats to continue their charade.

    becos it's personal. it's not some pastor or whoever telling them what's moral. they just are capable of something called empathy... putting themselves in another's shoes. a democrat hears about being gay and goes "well, im not gay, but i sure as hell wouldnt want that kind of discrimination being directed at me for any reason so im opposed." or for abortion "maybe i dont like it, but if i was in that situation i dont know what the hell id do, so who am i to say no?" there's no single book and authoritarian hierarchy handing this stance down. it's just common sense... aka the golden fucking rule. i wouldnt want that done to me, im not gonna do it to someone else. the anti-gay, anti-choice (since you love your incendiary labels) crowd doesnt think about these things or care about other people. they go "pastor dave said it's sinful and so by god im going to fight it!"

    case in point: dick cheney. staunch conservative republican. suddenly, when it's happening in HIS family... he realizes just how harmless it is and shuts the fuck up about homosexuality. these are just people looking for a moral scapegoat as handed down by their pastor to keep the money and outrage flowing.

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