What should be done about the Darfur conflict?

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  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    surferdude wrote:
    The current administration would get lambasted for going into Darfur without the UN, so your reasoning is out of step with reality. Darfur should be a UN mission, putting responsibility and blame on one country just shows hatred for either Bush and company or the US.

    I think he'd be lambasted for wasting further resources on a country that had no resource worth controlling.

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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    jlew24asu wrote:
    its not muslims being slaughtered. nice try

    in darfur a majority of the people are muslim. Muslims are being slaughtereed and are doing the slaughtering. The Arab muslims are killing the african "black" muslims for land and the resources. Here's an interview from Mohamed Yahya http://www.cvillepodcast.com/feeds/wina/rn_yahya_060731.mp3 it's a long interview but very interesting and worth a listen.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    jlew24asu wrote:
    even in a thread looking for suggested solutions to a very serious problem, people still find time to bash america
    The US should have never been in Iraq, in my opinion. So I think 'the US already has enough on its plate' is a very poor argument.
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    The UN's only job these days is to provide a platform for other world leaders to jump on the "bash America" wagon. Oh yea, and to line their own pockets. The UN gives less of a shit about Darfur than all the other "devils" combined. But since we all know that citizens of oppressed countries rarely stand up for themselves, we'll probably have to go in there on some level, to stop the bloodshed.

    They'll either bitch because we don't help, or bitch how we do help. Once again, La'Merica is damned if we do, and damned if we dont.
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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    What should be done about Darfur? A peacekeeping mission if ever there was one. The UN is preparing to send in troops I think, and they cant be placed soon enough IMO.

    The government of (North) Sudan are in conflict with seperatists in South Sudan. A big ethnical showdown I understand. Little to do with religion.

    Get a peacekeeping force with some muscle, and force the buggers to negotiate and get along. And start disarming the myriad militias that are fucking it up for the civilians.

    Well, buhbye for the weekend. I'm off to Berlin for my favorite band. :)

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  • Pickr
    Pickr Posts: 161
    Collin wrote:
    The US should have never been in Iraq, in my opinion. So I think 'the US already has enough on its plate' is a very poor argument.


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  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    jsand wrote:
    your baseless allegation that the goal of the war on terror is to eliminate every Muslim in the world is a start. That comment is ridiculous. Did you ever think that maybe the goal is to eliminate every Muslim terrorist? Maybe???

    perhaps it's reckless and overstated for dramatic and incindiary affect, but I wouldn't say "baseless". Either way this "war" is a sham. Bushco doesn't seem overwhelmingly concerned with wrongly imprisoning people without charge or trial or killing a bunch of innocent muslims with bombs to kill a few terrorists.

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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    Using an Army to battle rouge fighters is like using a flamethrower to find a needle in a haystack. It's not working

    That would actually work:D
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  • InsaneSoup
    InsaneSoup Posts: 37
    Satirical cartoon in the Village Voice on Darfur....

    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0639,fiore,74531,9.html
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  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    Collin wrote:
    That would actually work:D

    not from the hays perspective

    it's actually a better analogy than I thought
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    not from the hays perspective

    it's actually a better analogy than I thought

    That's what I was going to add...
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  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    surferdude wrote:
    That UN hasn't had a large contingent there already just tells you how utterly useless the UN is. I believe there's more chance of Santa Claus showing up and doing good than the UN. There are far too many on the UN who seem to believe that killing people is a genuine by-product of governing people.

    Again, the UN is not a government or a country, it depend on the sovereign country that are members to the UN, mostly the security council, they should be held responsible first, then the UN as an institution. (Dallaire's words). UN have to wait till those country commit troops, they don't have a UN army.

    UN have a proposition and a mission ready for Darfur, it's only a matter of time before it happens, it's in our responsability/duty (there's a resolution for this at the UN, Canada signed it) to protect civillians against their governments if the said government is repeatdly violating human rights, and further in the Darfur case, commiting a genocide. We MUST act in Darfur, asap. I hope Canada will commit a lot of troops in this mission.
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  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    Too bad the Canadian Prime Minister remain mostly silent on this issue, i don't know what is Canada stance on this genocide currently happening. At least on this one, USA foreign policies are way ahead of the Canadian's one...

    edit: ... and i salute the fact that George Bush talk about it, as a genocide, in his UN speech.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    so now no one is allowed to go to darfur. well any american help. this could end up really really bad


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