Another job no American would want

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yes to both of your questions, actually.


    since you are so against any form of government regulation perhaps you dont believe in red lights, speed limits or other traffic regulations?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:
    Who are "our own workers"?

    To me, if it's John Smith who I don't know who has the job, or Jose Lopez who I don't know who has it...it makes no difference whatsoever.


    so people dont matter if you dont know them? thats nice
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    my2hands wrote:
    organized labor is one of the great accomplishments in this country's history. i always find anti-union americans a little strange. perhaps they dont know their history, or perhaps they think they shouldnt have a collective voice or rights as workers? maybe you also are in favor of child labor? or unsafe working conditions? or forced over time? where do you think employer provided health care and other various benefits came from? employer's being nice guys? give me a break, that had to be forced by the workers, collectively.

    now this doesnt mean that every union is ran well, or ran approprately.

    I'm not saying that Unions did not accomplish a lot and should be respected for those accomplishments in the past, but...

    ..times have changed and with the improvements in technology, transportation, and communication as well as the availablity of lawyers itching for litigation, they are just not needed and are doing themselves a disservice.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    my2hands wrote:
    since you are so against any form of government regulation perhaps you dont believe in red lights, speed limits or other traffic regulations?

    Hehe....

    I certainly believe in "red lights, speed limits or other traffic regulations". I just find it entertaining that so many people think lights can't be red, speeds can't be limited, or traffic cannot be regulated without your precious governments.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    my2hands wrote:
    so people dont matter if you dont know them? thats nice

    That's not at all what I was saying. I'm saying that it does not matter to me who has the job. I don't favor some American that I don't know over a Mexican or Hispanic person that I don't know either. Either one can have it as far as I'm concerned.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I'm not sure I understand your desire to keep them.
    safety

    farfromglorified wrote:
    So your regulations have ended this?
    ended, no - but I would imagine that these types of accidents have been greatly reduced
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You don't see a reason? Why don't you read the article again.
    I'm not specifically talking about the article... if Mexican drivers/companies can do the job cheaper, while following the same safety regulations as US drivers, then more power to them.

    I just don't want thousands of exhausted people hopped up on speed driving over-weight trucks alongside me on the highway. I will take my chances with the few that break the law, but I don't want all of them pushing the boundaries.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Awesome. I think a lack of violence is important when you are talking about innocent people's lives.
    What does violence have to do with this?
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe....

    I certainly believe in "red lights, speed limits or other traffic regulations". I just find it entertaining that so many people think lights can't be red, speeds can't be limited, or traffic cannot be regulated without your precious governments.

    ok, and how would they be regulated then?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    blackredyellow wrote:
    safety

    Then why don't you just ban trucks?
    ended, no - but I would imagine that these types of accidents have been greatly reduced

    So in other words your imagination should dictate policy?
    I'm not specifically talking about the article... if Mexican drivers/companies can do the job cheaper, while following the same safety regulations as US drivers, then more power to them.

    Hehe...don't you find it ironic that you used the word "power" there?
    I just don't want thousands of exhausted people hopped up on speed driving over-weight trucks alongside me on the highway. I will take my chances with the few that break the law, but I don't want all of them pushing the boundaries.

    So in other words your wants should dictate the behaviors of others?
    What does violence have to do with this?

    You tell me. What happens to the Mexican I hire tomorrow who agrees to bring something to me in NC on a truck?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:
    That's not at all what I was saying. I'm saying that it does not matter to me who has the job. I don't favor some American that I don't know over a Mexican or Hispanic person that I don't know either. Either one can have it as far as I'm concerned.

    until your the american that lost his job.


    ps... i do not blame the immigrant, legal or illegal. i blame the employer that hires them for half what he would have to pay an american while they also can cut out health care and other various benefits secured by the american labor movement.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    my2hands wrote:
    ok, and how would they be regulated then?

    By the rules of the market, of course.

    See, here's the thing. You don't just want regulation. You want to be a regulator. You want things done how you want them to be done. The irony of this is you'll invoke words like "common good" and "the people" and "our workers", while elements of all those damn your regulations.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    my2hands wrote:
    until your the american that lost his job.

    Right - that's why I put the "I don't know" phrase into my original statement that confused you.

    Unless it's me losing the job, or perhaps one of my friends or relatives, it shouldn't matter whether it's an American or someone of another nationality who gets it.

    But some people - like the original post I quoted - seem to think that it's better for an "American" to have a job as opposed to someone from a different background.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:
    I'm not saying that Unions did not accomplish a lot and should be respected for those accomplishments in the past, but...

    ..times have changed and with the improvements in technology, transportation, and communication as well as the availablity of lawyers itching for litigation, they are just not needed and are doing themselves a disservice.


    technology, transportation, and communication have nothing to do with employers constant attempts to exploit their workers. and lawyers are certainly not the answer to that problem. no matter how much "times change" one thing will not change, and that is the exploitation of labor by the powerful. you can rely on lawyers all you want, i would rather rely on my fellow co-workers and their collective voice to continue the struggle for fair labor practices and adequate pay and benefits.
  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    know1 wrote:
    Right - that's why I put the "I don't know" phrase into my original statement that confused you.

    Unless it's me losing the job, or perhaps one of my friends or relatives, it shouldn't matter whether it's an American or someone of another nationality who gets it.

    But some people - like the original post I quoted - seem to think that it's better for an "American" to have a job as opposed to someone from a different background.

    It's important that we protect American workers. I dont care what someone's background is, i do care if companies send jobs to other nations simply to satisfy the bottom line, erroding our middle class in the process.

    I don't know what you are implying by bringing someone's background into the conversation but this has nothing to do with someone's background.
    Be excellent to each other
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:

    But some people - like the original post I quoted - seem to think that it's better for an "American" to have a job as opposed to someone from a different background.


    you can write me down on that one. you know why, becasue i live in america. if i lived in poland i wouldnt want americans to come and take my job, or any other Poles job. if i lived in mexico, i wouldnt want an american to come take my job, or any other mexicans job. that is not racists or hateful, that is local/national economics and local/national interests. nothing more nothing less. you think canadians want americans crossing their border taking their jobs at half the pay and without benefits? i doubt it.

    it is not evil that americans want to keep their jobs. they are americans, so they want american jobs. pretty simple if you ask me
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Then why don't you just ban trucks?

    At least use realistic arguments
    farfromglorified wrote:
    So in other words your imagination should dictate policy?

    not my imagination...
    Large Truck Crash Facts 2000. Analysis Division of Federal Motor Carrier Safety Association (FMCSA) (March 2002), 248 KB PDF, 61 pages. Over the past 20 years (1980 to 2000), there has been a 39 percent increase in registered large trucks and a 90 percent increase in miles traveled by large trucks. Over the same time period, the number of large trucks involved in fatal crashes each year has declined by 8 percent, and the vehicle involvement rate for large trucks in fatal crashes has declined by 52 percent.
    http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/trucking_industry/hazards.html

    Safety regulations work
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...don't you find it ironic that you used the word "power" there?
    no
    farfromglorified wrote:
    So in other words your wants should dictate the behaviors of others?
    if "my wants" are to increase the safety for people that share the roads with trucks, then I guess so.

    I also want people to be held responsible for rape and murder... I guess that since it's only my "want", then we shouldn't have laws to dictate what other people do?
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You tell me. What happens to the Mexican I hire tomorrow who agrees to bring something to me in NC on a truck?
    I'm guessing he can't just drive it to you because of our border laws...
    farfromglorified wrote:
    By the rules of the market, of course.

    a lot of traffic signals are put in place because of the desires of the people that live or drive in the area... wouldn't you consider that cause by the market?
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    my2hands wrote:
    you can write me down on that one. you know why, becasue i live in america. if i lived in poland i wouldnt want americans to come and take my job, or any other Poles job. if i lived in mexico, i wouldnt want an american to come take my job, or any other mexicans job.
    that is not racists or hateful, that is local/national economics and local/national interests.

    Awesome. Slavery was just "local/national economics and local/national interests" too.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    farfromglorified wrote:
    By the rules of the market, of course.

    See, here's the thing. You don't just want regulation. You want to be a regulator. You want things done how you want them to be done. The irony of this is you'll invoke words like "common good" and "the people" and "our workers", while elements of all those damn your regulations.


    dude, your so full of shit i can smell you from here :D


    how the hell is the "rules of the market" going to regulate stop lights and traffic laws?

    and no, i dont want to be a regulator? but i dont mind having some input on the issue. thats why we have a Represenative Government. so i have as much input as you.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    my2hands wrote:
    until your the american that lost his job.


    ps... i do not blame the immigrant, legal or illegal. i blame the employer that hires them for half what he would have to pay an american while they also can cut out health care and other various benefits secured by the american labor movement.
    Actually I agree with Know1. Once you believe that all people are equal it doesn't matter who has the job. It just seems that a lot of people don't really believe in equality and want to make sure that their government does not legislate laws that back equality. A life in America is not more valuable than a life in Africa.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Awesome. Slavery was just "local/national economics and local/national interests" too.


    again, your full of shit.

    what the hell does slavery have to do with this? nothing, you just like to hear yourself type i think?


    my grandfather keeping his job at GM has nothing to do with slavery.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    surferdude wrote:
    Actually I agree with Know1. Once you believe that all people are equal it doesn't matter who has the job. It just seems that a lot of people don't really believe in equality and want to make sure that their government does not legislate laws that back equality. A life in America is not more valuable than a life in Africa.


    i agree all people are equal. so the american should have a job in america, and the african should have a job in africa. its called fucking geography, pretty simple folks.

    wanting to keep jobs in america for america is not hateful, racists, or discriminatory.

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