Bush/Cheney Reign of Terror almost over!!

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  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    DOSW wrote:
    I love when people make unsubstantiated "they all suck" claims like this without citing any evidence for it. But go ahead and keep sitting on your ass talking about how you'd love all of us to take to the streets without actually doing anything about it personally. That'll help.


    i love how you assume i sit on my ass and do nothing when you have no fucking clue who or what you are talking about.
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    4Powers20 wrote:
    no hypocrisy. Taking form citizens and taking from corporations are two entirely different things.
    I guess you make over 250'000 a year then?
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    pjalive21 wrote:
    so true...

    all the Obama lovers are going to be HUGELY disappointed

    they will find out the "Messiah" is nothing but another happy spending, lying politician that fooled the country

    everyone is more wrapped up in being "a part of history" that they dont realize they are selling us all out

    Why is it that the only people who I ever here calling or referring to Obama as the "Messiah" are conservatives?

    The idea that Obama supporters think that he's some sort of Messiah is a joke.
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  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    brandon10 wrote:
    I guess you make over 250'000 a year then?


    No I make far less than. FAR less. But I dont think it is right to penalize people who work hard for their money.

    Dont you think we will see everybody keeping their salaries under 250,000 if that tax plan goes into effect? Then where would the money come from?


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Why is it that the only people who I ever here calling or referring to Obama as the "Messiah" are conservatives?

    well gee...I'm not a conservative nor a liberal nor a democrat nor a republican nor a green or any other bullshit divide and conquer irrelevant label you can think up...so i guess you're wrong about that one


    blackredyellow wrote:
    The idea that Obama supporters think that he's some sort of Messiah is a joke.

    i guess you don't get out much huh? some of these Obama people have a glazed over "hey I'm in a cult come drink the kool-aid" look in their eyes! others are just so desperate to get rid of Bush they'd vote for Satan himself!!(which isn't too far from the truth)
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    4Powers20 wrote:
    No I make far less than. FAR less. But I dont think it is right to penalize people who work hard for their money.

    Dont you think we will see everybody keeping their salaries under 250,000 if that tax plan goes into effect? Then where would the money come from?


    You sir, are completely brain dead. 95 % of the population makes less than 250,000. And those that make more only get the tax increase on what they make above and beyond the 250,000. You have been listening to far too many neo-con talking points. This tax system is designed to effect corporations, not the common man. It's designed to help the middle class and fund our infrastructure, military, energy policies, education system, etc..... But I bet you think it all goes to welfare. GET A GRIP.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    brandon10 wrote:
    You sir, are completely brain dead. 95 % of the population makes less than 250,000. And those that make more only get the tax increase on what they make above and beyond the 250,000. You have been listening to far too many neo-con talking points. This tax system is designed to effect corporations, not the common man. It's designed to help the middle class and fund our infrastructure, military, energy policies, education system, etc..... But I bet you think it all goes to welfare. GET A GRIP.


    1. I am not brain dead, but thanks to resorting to name calling.

    2. Some people DO make more than that (myself NOT included) and it is not fair to tax them more just because then earn more. they are already paying more taxes, not only on income, but chances are their property taxes are higher, they are spending more so they are spending more on sales tax(yes it their choice but it is still more tax money they lose). But sure make them pay even MORE, they can afford it, right?

    3. I do work for a small company that will be directly impacted by Obama's new tax plan. And THAT will make it harder for me to get my raise next year, since they will be paying more taxes.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,075
    hey people this thread is about being happy that the reign of these two by far the worst combo to ever occupied the white house, so yeah it is a good thing they will soon be out but don't be fooled folks bush & chenney are hard at work to make sure that Mcsame will be the next president remember this word ..

    Voter suppression is a form of electoral fraud and refers to the use of governmental power, political campaign strategy, and private ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    4Powers20 wrote:
    1. I am not brain dead, but thanks to resorting to name calling.

    2. Some people DO make more than that (myself NOT included) and it is not fair to tax them more just because then earn more. they are already paying more taxes, not only on income, but chances are their property taxes are higher, they are spending more so they are spending more on sales tax(yes it their choice but it is still more tax money they lose). But sure make them pay even MORE, they can afford it, right?

    3. I do work for a small company that will be directly impacted by Obama's new tax plan. And THAT will make it harder for me to get my raise next year, since they will be paying more taxes.


    Well someone has to cough up the money to pay for the wars, infrastructure, social programs, bail outs, education, and everything else. So since you think it's so unfair to get the money from those more fortunate than you, maybe you should just pay 100% of your earnings to help out. Or maybe we just shouldn't bother getting that money from anywhere, go further into debt, and watch this country go to fire? I know you don't like the idea of a president Obama. But how about a president Ling, Chong, Wang, or Chan? Because you are headed in that direction.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,246
    They'll STILL be a menace while out of office, it's their nature,

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  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    brandon10 wrote:
    Well someone has to cough up the money to pay for the wars, infrastructure, social programs, bail outs, education, and everything else. So since you think it's so unfair to get the money from those more fortunate than you, maybe you should just pay 100% of your earnings to help out. Or maybe we just shouldn't bother getting that money from anywhere, go further into debt, and watch this country go to fire? I know you don't like the idea of a president Obama. But how about a president Ling, Chong, Wang, or Chan? Because you are headed in that direction.


    or we could stop giving money to Africa for aids relief and other causes like that and stop forgiving foreign debt. We should also make all fines (parking-jay walking and every other fine you could think of) a pecentage of the persons salary. So if you make 40,000 a year and you get a speeding ticket the fine is 50 bucks, if you make 200,000 it is 200 bucks...and so on.

    Also if we legalize weed and tax that like we do cigarettes we could all have our free health care, but that will never happen.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • NeilJam
    NeilJam Posts: 1,191
    4Powers20 wrote:
    Also if we legalize weed and tax that like we do cigarettes we could all have our free health care, but that will never happen.


    This is one point I'll agree with you on. Of course there is no way a Republican would ever support it. Especially McCain since his wife's millions come from Budweiser, a company that would loose a lot of revenue if marijuana was legalized.
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    4Powers20 wrote:
    or we could stop giving money to Africa for aids relief and other causes like that and stop forgiving foreign debt. We should also make all fines (parking-jay walking and every other fine you could think of) a pecentage of the persons salary. So if you make 40,000 a year and you get a speeding ticket the fine is 50 bucks, if you make 200,000 it is 200 bucks...and so on.

    Also if we legalize weed and tax that like we do cigarettes we could all have our free health care, but that will never happen.


    Wow. Some great ideas there. Seriously.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    brandon10 wrote:
    Wow. Some great ideas there. Seriously.


    are you serious or kidding? Because I think the are pretty good.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    NeilJam wrote:
    Obviously things aren't gong to change overnight. But we will be better off with Obama as President than we are with Bush now or would be with McCain for the next 4 years.


    Like Joe Biden said at a rally a couple weeks ago:

    "A working person voting for John McCain is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."

    I think it's the other way around. If you want to watch jobs fly away to other countries, vote for Obama.

    Of course, those jobs are going to leave with McCain as well but I don't believe as fast.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    4Powers20 wrote:
    no hypocrisy. Taking form citizens and taking from corporations are two entirely different things.

    How so? The corporations will either raise their prices to cover it (thereby it's still taking from the people) or they will just take their business elsewhere.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    know1 wrote:
    How so? The corporations will either raise their prices to cover it (thereby it's still taking from the people) or they will just take their business elsewhere.


    are they going to dig up the oil in Alaska and bring that with them too? Because otherwise they have to do their business in Alaska.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    4Powers20 wrote:
    are they going to dig up the oil in Alaska and bring that with them too? Because otherwise they have to do their business in Alaska.

    Not every corporation is an oil company.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    know1 wrote:
    Not every corporation is an oil company.

    but in this instance we were talking about oil companies.

    and if you are talking about taking business elsewhere, that is exactly what will happen when Obama's new anti rich tax plan go into effect.


    "We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08

  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    know1 wrote:
    I think it's the other way around. If you want to watch jobs fly away to other countries, vote for Obama.

    Of course, those jobs are going to leave with McCain as well but I don't believe as fast.

    McCain touts that he's all for complete free trade, but then he tries to claim how he'll do everything he can to keep jobs here. The two aren't compatible.

    Obama is also for free trade (although not entirely free), but he wants to create a new industry in America (renewable energy) that would create jobs here and be compatible in a free trade global economy.
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win

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