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Jeanie wrote:

Thanks Helen.:)

I have to say that I would never intentionally offend someone for their religious beliefs, and whilst I am aware that Muslims have found the Danish cartoons extremely offensive, I would like to hope that most good Muslims are more appalled by acts of extremism and terror than by cartoons. I don't consider the men who perpertrated the acts of violence in Madrid to be worthy of respect for their religious beliefs. And if this woman wanted to be truly offensive she would have denounced all Muslims. There could have been so many other things she could have said or done if she truly wanted to be offensive or vicious. She didn't even speak. But she also spoke volumes.

Well the vast majority of Muslims are appaled by the acts of extremism... actually any REAL muslim would be. The Muslims in Ireland were quite respectable in their protests over the cartoons... I can't remember if any Irish papers printed it anyway... but there's such a double standard though, like someone said they can say whatever they want but we MUST be respectful over something that we can't understand or they'll kill because of it

I stand by my opinion that when you're in someone elses country/home, you must respect THEM. I would never move to a Muslim country simply because I like the way of life here and could not possibly live by their rules... although I understand that it's their way of life. If I HAD to move to a Muslim country for whatever reasons however, I WOULD certainly live by their laws. I wouldn't turn up and start demanding that they respect me and adapt to my way of life... that's just not how it works. I stay here cos I like it, I presume anyone who comes here comes because they want to live this way and so they should.

Heineken Helen wrote:

Well the vast majority of Muslims are appaled by the acts of extremism... actually any REAL muslim would be. The Muslims in Ireland were quite respectable in their protests over the cartoons... I can't remember if any Irish papers printed it anyway... but there's such a double standard though, like someone said they can say whatever they want but we MUST be respectful over something that we can't understand or they'll kill because of it

I stand by my opinion that when you're in someone elses country/home, you must respect THEM. I would never move to a Muslim country simply because I like the way of life here and could not possibly live by their rules... although I understand that it's their way of life. If I HAD to move to a Muslim country for whatever reasons however, I WOULD certainly live by their laws. I wouldn't turn up and start demanding that they respect me and adapt to my way of life... that's just not how it works. I stay here cos I like it, I presume anyone who comes here comes because they want to live this way and so they should.

Yes, I think that unfortunately moderate Muslims don't speak up enough, or that their voices are lost in the cacophany. But there are plenty of them here too. We have a bit of an enclave in Sydney or so it would seem, of angry Muslim men, but here in Melbourne things are much calmer and harmonious. And I'd say that the majority of Muslims who have immigrated to Australia are peaceful people, who have integrated well. And we have even embraced many things about their culture and religion. Unfortunately extremist views are everywhere. I think that as you say, respect the laws and traditions of the land you are in. No harm in learning new things but the basic structure of a country should go unchanged.

Jeanie wrote:

Yes, I think that unfortunately moderate Muslims don't speak up enough, or that their voices are lost in the cacophany. But there are plenty of them here too. We have a bit of an enclave in Sydney or so it would seem, of angry Muslim men, but here in Melbourne things are much calmer and harmonious. And I'd say that the majority of Muslims who have immigrated to Australia are peaceful people, who have integrated well. And we have even embraced many things about their culture and religion. Unfortunately extremist views are everywhere. I think that as you say, respect the laws and traditions of the land you are in. No harm in learning new things but the basic structure of a country should go unchanged.

well see I hold the view that people leave their country if they want a change so they should embrace that change, those who stay are obviously happy where they are and like how it is so they shouldn't have a change enforced on them... if you like the culture of your country and want to live like that well stay there... of course you can live how you like in other countries, just don't force others to do the same

Heineken Helen wrote:

well see I hold the view that people leave their country if they want a change so they should embrace that change, those who stay are obviously happy where they are and like how it is so they shouldn't have a change enforced on them... if you like the culture of your country and want to live like that well stay there... of course you can live how you like in other countries, just don't force others to do the same

I guess. I think a lot of people leave their countries because they have to. And that when they get to their new country they are just being how they are, so on top of everything else, they aren't going to be suddenly rocking up to my house on Sunday in shorts and thongs ready to chow down on a bbq.
And that's ok, because while I'm happy to learn about their cultures and beliefs and embrace some of them of them as my own, I'm not going to be changing my intrinsic nature to theirs. Just as they won't be to mine.
I think it's probably very different here anyway, because we are all immigrants, except for the indegenous population. So we all have brought different ideals, religions, cultures here and while we have all kept those to a greater or lesser degree we also accept that we have to embrace our differences in order to make the country work. Whilst Australia is a melting pot, I do agree that we do need to be respectful of each other.

Heineken Helen wrote:

Well you still have a choice... albeit a bad one: stay in your own country and be persecuted OR pursue a new life elsewhere. If you choose the latter you must be willing to respect those you are visiting if you want them to welcome you... otherwise you're no better than those who forced you to leave your own country. And like I said, of COURSE they can live as they've always lived but they should not expect others to automatically adapt to them... since it was not them who CHOSE to change. I'm totally for respect and everyone respecting everyone... I'm talking of the examples of people moving to other countries and then demanding that laws be changed to suit their ways of life and stuff like that... or those who move here and do nothing but complain about the way of life I really don't get it. If you're here, it's STILL better than your country whether you like it or not.

Very true. We agree. I have no time or patience for being dictated terms by people who showed up five minutes ago and want everything to revolve around them. So by all means attempt to change the intrinsic nature of a country but don't be surprised if you are met with some pretty heavy resistance.

WindNoSail wrote:

Any chance you could consider a statement like this before you post it? There is no comparison - your suggestion would be distasteful, offensive, etc. A picture of Mohammned is nothing, even with a bomb on his head. Satire is a good thing and I don't buy into the concept that it is off limits for religious reasons and that I deserve death for it. I would rather question the idiocy of the perp who believed such a thing.

No logic Ahnimus, and I know that must really bug you for me to say that.

The picture of Mohammed suggested that he stood for bombing and murder. Christ spent a lot of time with prostitutes, so showing that would be kind of like the same thing. I'll admit I could have thought of something better. And yes, some of my family was murdered by die-hard Christian mofos.

the original cartoon protesters should have had their placards rammed down their throats. The authorities were wrong not to act at the time, police should have busted heads. Their offense is laughable, as for all the "moderate muslim..." lefty bollocks.....well...

elmer wrote:

No good came out the bombings, in spite of what anybody may say.

I pity that woman for her protest, it seems somehow a feeble gesture.

on jan2nd a car bomb detonated around madrid airport, I believe killing 2 so the new government hasnt appeased all. The spanish above all should recognize the threats that are posed by muslims.

To be honest I can't understand the Spanish stance on this. If my government had chosen to be involved in this against our wishes... and they retaliated by killing some of my fellow countrypeople... well I think I'd change my mind and back my government, rather than bowing to the ignorance of these terrorists (note, not muslims, the Koran does NOT instruct people to act this way)

elmer wrote:

the original cartoon protesters should have had their placards rammed down their throats. The authorities were wrong not to act at the time, police should have busted heads. Their offense is laughable, as for all the "moderate muslim..." lefty bollocks.....well...

obviously a strong reaction would only have raised tensions but its what I thought when I see groups of adult men allowed to threaten bombs over an "offensive cartoon".
dont know about their religion but seems like some kind of death cult from a distance.