no more instant irishman

RavennaSeattle1911
RavennaSeattle1911 Posts: 478
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
about 2 or 3 years ago ireland got rid of law that said if an illegal has a baby born in ireland hes an instant irish citizen

i say we do the same!!

a liberal like obama would say screw that
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  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    I agree -- any illegal who has a baby in Ireland should not be an instant Irish citizen.
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  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Why dont we just deem all our illegal aliens Irish?
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Boston has about 10,000 illegal aliens from Ireland.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    Boston has about 10,000 illegal aliens from Ireland.
    Maybe Boston can make room for ours too. Hablo Espanol?
  • tooferz
    tooferz Posts: 135
    oh...citizenship. i thought i missed out on some cool thing like add beer n get an instant irishman.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    Boston has about 10,000 illegal aliens from Ireland.

    They're OK because they are not from Central/South America.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    we had a HUGE problem of people coming here, getting pregnant immediately, staying outside the radar til they HAD the kid in Ireland and then claiming Irish citizenship cos they have an Irish kid and going straight on welfare. We're only a small country and can't really handle that... the amount of illegals coming into the country has decreased dramatically since this law came in. I've no problem with anyone who needs asylum or refuge coming in here at ALL or those who are willing to work and join our society, it's those who find all the legal loopholes and come here JUST to abuse them that I DO have issues with.

    What problems do you find with the Irish illegals in Boston? :confused:
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    we had a HUGE problem of people coming here, getting pregnant immediately, staying outside the radar til they HAD the kid in Ireland and then claiming Irish citizenship cos they have an Irish kid and going straight on welfare. We're only a small country and can't really handle that... the amount of illegals coming into the country has decreased dramatically since this law came in.


    Actually, Helen, the reports of people abusing the welfare system were grossly inflated. I can't remember the exact figures, but there was a study conducted after the referendum which suggested that the number of non-national mothers of Irish-born children claiming welfare benefits was a tiny fraction of what had been spun in the pre-referendum campaigning. I think it was below 5%. And as I understand it, the decrease in the influx of immigrants (legal or illegal) has far more to do with skyrocketing cost of living in Ireland and the fact that immigrants are often paid exploitative wages.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I have a better idea. Why don't we kick out all of the racists and segregationists who live in fear of people different from themselves living next door to them? We should welcome all with open arms.
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Every year on March 17th millions become instant Irishmen.
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    we had a HUGE problem of people coming here, getting pregnant immediately, staying outside the radar til they HAD the kid in Ireland and then claiming Irish citizenship cos they have an Irish kid and going straight on welfare. We're only a small country and can't really handle that... the amount of illegals coming into the country has decreased dramatically since this law came in. I've no problem with anyone who needs asylum or refuge coming in here at ALL or those who are willing to work and join our society, it's those who find all the legal loopholes and come here JUST to abuse them that I DO have issues with.


    ....And in terms of us being a small country and unable to handle it.... come on - we have half the population we had 160 years ago. The UK is only 3 & a half times the size of Ireland, but it's got 15 times as many people. They're far more qualified to use the "small country" argument. And they don't

    I just don't buy it. It's political spin, pandering to, & manipulating people's fears, instead of doing what responsible government should do, and inform citizens of the facts.
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  • SweetHarmonics
    SweetHarmonics Posts: 290
    RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:
    a liberal like obama would say screw that

    I'll take dumbed-down rhetoric for 300.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Instant Irish? Just add alcohol. :)
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    even flow? wrote:
    Instant Irish? Just add alcohol. :)

    You're at least the third person in this short thread to pull out that highly original witticism...

    yeesh....
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Why dont we just deem all our illegal aliens Irish?

    sure why not. the world needs more irishmen and women anyway. we'd all be better for it i reckon.
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  • Heineken Helen
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    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Actually, Helen, the reports of people abusing the welfare system were grossly inflated. I can't remember the exact figures, but there was a study conducted after the referendum which suggested that the number of non-national mothers of Irish-born children claiming welfare benefits was a tiny fraction of what had been spun in the pre-referendum campaigning. I think it was below 5%. And as I understand it, the decrease in the influx of immigrants (legal or illegal) has far more to do with skyrocketing cost of living in Ireland and the fact that immigrants are often paid exploitative wages.
    ok you know more about the facts than I do but it's just my personal opinion. Like I said I have no problem with ANYONE coming to this country if they need to get out of their own country or if they simply want to come here and work. I do have issues though with those who come for neither reason and DO abuse the system, regardless of colour or nationality (even the lazy Irish bastards who take advantage). And I agree with the law, I don't think having a baby in a country should automatically make you a citizen.
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    ok you know more about the facts than I do but it's just my personal opinion. Like I said I have no problem with ANYONE coming to this country if they need to get out of their own country or if they simply want to come here and work. I do have issues though with those who come for neither reason and DO abuse the system, regardless of colour or nationality (even the lazy Irish bastards who take advantage).
    I agree with all of that. But it's not anything like the crisis the government would have us believe.
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    And I agree with the law, I don't think having a baby in a country should automatically make you a citizen.
    Neither do I. But it should make the child a citizen, and that's the right that was removed by the constitutional amendment.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    I agree with all of that. But it's not anything like the crisis the government would have us believe. Neither do I. But it should make the child a citizen, and that's the right that was removed by the constitutional amendment.
    I thought the child is still a citizen? But since its parents aren't automatically, it would have to go with them? Unless they want to leave it with someone here who IS a citizen or in care or something.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    You're at least the third person in this short thread to pull out that highly original witticism...

    yeesh....


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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    I thought the child is still a citizen?

    Nope

    new Article 9.2:

    1° ...a person born in the island of Ireland... who does not have, at the time of the birth of that person, at least one parent who is an Irish citizen or entitled to be an Irish citizen is not entitled to Irish citizenship or nationality...
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