Gun remark makes outdoorsman an outcast

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    know1 wrote:
    All I'm saying is the 2nd amendment is a joke at this point. People are fooling themselves if they think otherwise.

    Back when it came into being, the right to own a rifle put you on relatively equal footing with the government. Not so anymore.

    then many laws are a joke. freedom of speech is a joke. the fifth ammendment is a joke. all men are not equal; not as long as affirmative action exists.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    then many laws are a joke. freedom of speech is a joke. the fifth ammendment is a joke. all men are not equal; not as long as affirmative action exists.

    affirmative action has never existed in the form i imagine you're bitching about... quotas and whatnot. they have never been legal and never will be.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    you live in a community that is big on that. are you truly telling me we should be handing .22s out to 12 and 13 yr old kids in urban nyc? in small towns, there aren't gun crimes becos everyone knows everyone and such a crime could not go undetected. not so in urban environments. i dont think teaching shooting classes in there is going to do any good. and in those places, driving lessons are separate from school. small towns roll them up becos driving and shooting are integral to the way of life in more rural areas and it's cheaper to do it that way.

    ohio has a concealed carry law too. im talking about expanding that to guns in general. and doing away with all the rest of those requirements.

    the bottom line is, different communities have different needs. people living in urban areas have no need for a gun except for killing other people. nobody's hunting in central park. the problem is, 2nd amendment nuts see their tiny hick town and go "see, guns aren't a problem, we ALL have guns and no one gets shot." becos their incidents of violent crimes are miniscule compared to urban environments in general and guns would make no difference one way or the other. they're not preventing crime in those towns, and they're not adding to crime in urban areas. but they are adding the amount of people dying by guns in urban areas and that must be addressed. the problem is laws are uniform and so a person in bucktown, ohio sees some law and starts ranting about his 2nd amendment rights (rights that probably will not be affected anyway) when the legislation could potentially save hundred of lives in the inner city.

    many schools still have archery as part of the PE course. why not add gun saftey? urban ares need gun saftey classes more than rural areas. i don't propose handing out anything to anyone. but if you visit a gun range you will find some of the most respectful 12 year olds you'll ever meet. it'll cost you nothing to go look. i've lived in cities; suburbs and remote areas. in rural areas kids have full access to their guns. in cities; the parents lock up the guns and the kids only have access at the range.

    there's 2 places i carry a gun. first is urban areas. that's where it's needed the most. second is dangerous areas where rattlesnakes are likely or areas with mountain lion activity. so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead. he needs to know that he won't walk away like in the movies or hit reset like in video games.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    onelongsong wrote:
    then many laws are a joke. freedom of speech is a joke. the fifth ammendment is a joke. all men are not equal; not as long as affirmative action exists.

    I'll agree many laws are a joke...including the 2nd Amendment.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    onelongsong wrote:
    many schools still have archery as part of the PE course. why not add gun saftey? urban ares need gun saftey classes more than rural areas. i don't propose handing out anything to anyone. but if you visit a gun range you will find some of the most respectful 12 year olds you'll ever meet. it'll cost you nothing to go look. i've lived in cities; suburbs and remote areas. in rural areas kids have full access to their guns. in cities; the parents lock up the guns and the kids only have access at the range.

    there's 2 places i carry a gun. first is urban areas. that's where it's needed the most. second is dangerous areas where rattlesnakes are likely or areas with mountain lion activity. so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead. he needs to know that he won't walk away like in the movies or hit reset like in video games.

    So a human life is worth less to you than the contents of your wallet or value of your car?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    many schools still have archery as part of the PE course. why not add gun saftey? urban ares need gun saftey classes more than rural areas. i don't propose handing out anything to anyone. but if you visit a gun range you will find some of the most respectful 12 year olds you'll ever meet. it'll cost you nothing to go look. i've lived in cities; suburbs and remote areas. in rural areas kids have full access to their guns. in cities; the parents lock up the guns and the kids only have access at the range.

    there's 2 places i carry a gun. first is urban areas. that's where it's needed the most. second is dangerous areas where rattlesnakes are likely or areas with mountain lion activity. so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead. he needs to know that he won't walk away like in the movies or hit reset like in video games.

    you truly are out of touch then.

    ive never heard of a single school that had archery classes in PE. you must really live in the boondocks. yes, if you visit a gun range maybe. but those are going to be kids with parents who are responsible gun owners and were raised in a culture where guns are tools. in the inner city, the kids dont have parents and grow up in a culture where a gun is a weapon, and a way to prove you're tough. what cities did you live in? what neighborhoods?

    also, you implicitly acknowledge my point... you carry a gun in urban areas becos you need it. why? becos there are a lot of yahoos with guns down there who have no business carrying one. i dont think a school program is going to change that. you make the ones who truly want one work for it so they will take it seriously and do the best you can to keep the rest of them from laying hands on one.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    how quickly will the american people turn against the government if it starts bombing cities and killing innocent people?

    Very quickly I imagine. That doesn't change anything. If the government starts bombing cities and killing innocent people (US citizens, of course) your guns won't do anything, they're already bombing you.
    it's very illegal. but when you realize that the writers of the constitution intended the people to have the most modern weapons available; the laws are illegal.

    So when will you start your revolution. The government is taking away your rights and liberties with illegal laws and yet here you are boldly claiming that you have guns in case you need them to defend you from the government?
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    so a kid in an urban area needs to know that if he tries to rob or carjack me; i will shoot him dead. he needs to know that he won't walk away like in the movies or hit reset like in video games.

    So your wallet and car are worth more than human life?
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    So your wallet and car are worth more than human life?

    in a word; yes. but it goes beyond that. if you attack me i will defend myself. the supreme court has backed that right many times. i have no problem killing some scum that attacks me. scum the courts will only put back on the street.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    in a word; yes. but it goes beyond that. if you attack me i will defend myself. the supreme court has backed that right many times. i have no problem killing some scum that attacks me. scum the courts will only put back on the street.

    to use lethal force in self defense you have to have a reasonable fear of physical harm or death. you can't just shoot a guy who tries to pick your pocket.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    in a word; yes.

    How very sad and sickening. When people think a wallet or a car is worth more than someone's life there's something seriously wrong.

    And I hate to throw this in your face but I thought you were a Christian?

    but it goes beyond that. if you attack me i will defend myself. the supreme court has backed that right many times.

    The supreme court backs the killing of a petty thief?
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    How very sad and sickening. When people think a wallet or a car is worth more than someone's life there's something seriously wrong.

    And I hate to throw this in your face but I thought you were a Christian?

    an eye for an eye. i was held at gunpoint once by a criminal. it won't happen again

    Collin wrote:
    The supreme court backs the killing of a petty thief?

    the supreme court backs self defence. if the theif has a weapon; he's not a petty thief.

    i'm not alone. i know in arizona alone several cases have either been dismissed or the shooter not even charged. you may remember a case where someone held 11 illegals at gunpoint. the case got national attention b/c some mexican group had a big to-do about it.
    we don't f* around here.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    to use lethal force in self defense you have to have a reasonable fear of physical harm or death. you can't just shoot a guy who tries to pick your pocket.

    EXACTLY! but you can pull your weapon and give him the chance to retreat.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    an eye for an eye.

    leaves the whole world blind.

    Turn the other cheek. You probably know Jesus better than I do, how do you think he would have reacted if someone tried to steal his mule or his shoes or something?

    i was held at gunpoint once by a criminal. it won't happen again

    How are you so sure?
    the supreme court backs self defence. if the theif has a weapon; he's not a petty thief.

    You didn't say anything about a weapon. Anyway, when you have no problem with killing over a wallet or car, I think you have a problem.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    EXACTLY! but you can pull your weapon and give him the chance to retreat.

    If he has a weapon and you try and pull your weapon wouldn't that frighten him, or get him stressed? Do you think he's going to let you pull your gun? Would you?
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    EXACTLY! but you can pull your weapon and give him the chance to retreat.

    you made it sound like you'd start blasting if you saw someone eyeing up your car wrong.

    in any case, we were discussing gun laws. this has nothing to do with 2nd amendment guarantees of an armed militia and only exposes the need for us to keep guns from flooding our streets. what if we had a society where ONLY law-abiding citizens had guns?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    leaves the whole world blind.

    Turn the other cheek. You probably know Jesus better than I do, how do you think he would have reacted if someone tried to steal his mule or his shoes or something?

    people think the 10 commandments (actually 619 commandments) say thou shalt not kill. this is wrong. it says thou shalt not murder. those who not live by the law should be punished. remember stoning?

    How are you so sure?

    i don't hesitate to pull the trigger.
    You didn't say anything about a weapon. Anyway, when you have no problem with killing over a wallet or car, I think you have a problem.

    i have ho problem defending myself. what it's over is irrelevant.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    people think the 10 commandments (actually 619 commandments) say thou shalt not kill. this is wrong. it says thou shalt not murder. those who not live by the law should be punished. remember stoning?

    No, I don't remember stoning, I guess I'm not old enough to remember out-dated methods. Go rape a single virgin and marry her and give her some money. No harm done, it's in the Bible.

    And when a rape victim (who's married) doesn't cry for help when she's being raped, stone her to death! The rapist too, how dare he abuse someone else's property.
    i don't hesitate to pull the trigger.

    Do you really think someone who is holding you at gunpoint will let you pull your weapon? Or will you just shoot anyone who comes up to you asking for a light?
    i have ho problem defending myself. what it's over is irrelevant.

    Amazing, you'd kill someone over a pencil or piece of gun. This is one of the sickest things I have ever read. Killing someone over a wallet? That's insane!

    And the fact that you'd have no problem killing them, no just wounding them. They have to die.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    If he has a weapon and you try and pull your weapon wouldn't that frighten him, or get him stressed? Do you think he's going to let you pull your gun? Would you?

    criminals prefer unarmed victims. having a conceiled weapon gives you the element of surprise. while the criminal is thinking you're reaching for your wallet; he's concerned about who is about or seeing him. in all the cases i've heard about on the news; the criminal is in shock when confronted with a weapon. the criminal uses the weapon to induce fear. if he really planned on using it; he'd shoot first. most criminals are not trained to use the weapon. someone with a permit is.
    i'm sure you saw or heard about 44 minutes. these guys used automatic weapons to rob a bank and keep the police at bay. the only deaths were the criminals with the superior weapons.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    criminals prefer unarmed victims. having a conceiled weapon gives you the element of surprise. while the criminal is thinking you're reaching for your wallet; he's concerned about who is about or seeing him. in all the cases i've heard about on the news; the criminal is in shock when confronted with a weapon. the criminal uses the weapon to induce fear. if he really planned on using it; he'd shoot first. most criminals are not trained to use the weapon. someone with a permit is.
    i'm sure you saw or heard about 44 minutes. these guys used automatic weapons to rob a bank and keep the police at bay. the only deaths were the criminals with the superior weapons.

    so what was your response to these biblical practices again?

    "No, I don't remember stoning, I guess I'm not old enough to remember out-dated methods. Go rape a single virgin and marry her and give her some money. No harm done, it's in the Bible.

    And when a rape victim (who's married) doesn't cry for help when she's being raped, stone her to death! The rapist too, how dare he abuse someone else's property."

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