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    farfromglorified wrote:
    "Put out or get out" is a threat, baraka. And you know damn well what that threat is backed by. Deny it if you'd like.
    Interesting. By your statement here, I agree with baraka that the only gun to your head is your own.

    It takes two people to buy into a social contract and only one to opt out. You are sounding like the woman who wants to leave her unhappy marriage but won't because she's got so much invested in their life together. So she stays and complains about it. She's really there because she gets more out of it than she disagrees with. And people begin to tune out her complaints after awhile, because she's being passive-aggressive. When she really no longer buys into the marriage contract, she'll let go of her contradictions and her thoughts/words/AND deeds will ALL align with her no longer willing to buy in. As long as she compromises her own ideals, it's her who is selling herself down the river, and everyone knows it.
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  • Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Whoa.

    Ok.

    Alright.

    I'm good with that.

    Radio static: akjsdhasjdha headquarters?

    A: yes, this is headquarters.

    Q: did you run an APB on that post?

    A: Yes, I did.

    Q: fucker says he isn't American.

    A: that's right, sir.

    Q: we need to deport his ass.

    A: that might be complicated, sir.

    Q: why is that?

    A: says he was born here.

    Q: Sumbitch.

    A: yes, sir. One of "those".

    Q: I guess I could list him as an outside agitator.

    A: Yes, sir.
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    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm good with that.

    Obviously not, since you're going to tell me what I have to value and what I have to do, giving me only the choice between living out your values, going to prison, or leaving my home. Or am I wrong about that?
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    farfromglorified wrote:
    If I wanted to know how you quantified that, I would have asked you. I don't really care how you quantify "better life". That's your business, not mine. You're certainly free to tell me if you'd like, but I won't argue with what you see as your "better life" since that implies your standards, not mine.

    Better life = better Country.

    Why do you stump for Ron Paul? I have to believe it is because you think, through Ron Paul, America would be a better country.

    No?
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    angelica wrote:
    It takes two people to buy into a social contract and only one to opt out.

    Huh? It only takes one person to "buy into a social contract" -- the person who invents it as a concept and holds it over the head of another. And no one can "opt out" of a social contract. They can only leave its defined reach.
    You are sounding like the woman who wants to leave her unhappy marriage but won't because she's got so much invested in their life together.

    This would be a valid argument if there were options closer to my values than the one I'm currently in.
    So she stays and complains about it. She's really there because she gets more out of it than she disagrees with. And people begin to tune out her complaints after awhile, because she's being passive-aggressive. When she really no longer buys into the marriage contract, she'll let go of her contradictions and her thoughts/words/AND deeds will ALL align with her no longer willing to buy in. As long as she compromises her own ideals, it's her who is selling herself down the river, and everyone knows it.

    I think it's awesome that you effectively proclaimed America the drunken wife-beater in your analogy here.
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    farfromglorified wrote:
    Obviously not, since you're going to tell me what I have to value and what I have to do, giving me only the choice between living out your values, going to prison, or leaving my home. Or am I wrong about that?

    I'm as mountain man as they get on this board, FFG. I've lived it. I've fished and hunted and scrounged for food while taking shelter in a tent in the woods for months on end. In this country.

    I don't think you could do it.

    You have the attitude, but I think the first few nights might break you. In fact, I'm sure you don't even know how to get that far. You're too comfy, and dependent.
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    gue_barium wrote:
    Better life = better Country.

    Why do you stump for Ron Paul? I have to believe it is because you think, through Ron Paul, America would be a better country.

    No?

    I do believe that. The reason I believe that is because people would have more options and more freedom to live out their values, rather than less. If Ron Paul was interested in imposing a set of values and activities upon society, I'd oppose him as much as the rest of his counterparts.
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    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm as mountain man as they get on this board, FFG. I've lived it. I've fished and hunted and scrounged for food while taking shelter in a tent in the woods for months on end. In this country.

    Cool.
    I don't think you could do it.

    Ok.
    You have the attitude, but I think the first few nights might break you. In fact, I'm sure you don't even know how to get that far. You're too comfy, and dependent.

    Awesome.
  • Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I do believe that. The reason I believe that is because people would have more options and more freedom to live out their values, rather than less. If Ron Paul was interested in imposing a set of values and activities upon society, I'd oppose him as much as the rest of his counterparts.

    But, value, as it is, is dollar-dictated.
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    farfromglorified wrote:
    Cool.



    Ok.



    Awesome.

    I am a manly man, I am.

    I saw your picture, you're kinda cute.
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  • Posts: 6,038
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Huh? It only takes one person to "buy into a social contract" -- the person who invents it as a concept and holds it over the head of another. And no one can "opt out" of a social contract. They can only leave its defined reach.
    You use your entire being to buy into that contract in everyday. You use the resources available to you with all of your being--your entire being drives on the roads, your entire being provides the police work to do when you speed, etc, etc. It's only in theory that you "live" otherwise. You can't use your entire being and partake of a system and expect people to deny that like you do in order to make your philosophy work. The terms of such an "invisible or imaginary contract" represents the human being named "farfromglorified", willingly, happily and deliberately supporting and interacting with the American system.

    farfromglorified wrote:
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    I think it's awesome that you effectively proclaimed America the drunken wife-beater in your analogy here.

    Here we see your subjective emotions are actually painting a picture that does not exist. Emotion skews reality. You've imagined I said "drunken wife-beater". Can you show me where I said that? How does "unhappy marriage" equate to "drunken wife-beater", unless you are strongly reading in from your own filters and distorting the facts? I even painted the woman as human/flawed, and you've still created her partner as a "drunken wife-beater" based on no indication of that.
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    angelica wrote:
    You use your entire being to buy into that contract in everyday. You use the resources available to you with all of your being--your entire being drives on the roads, your entire being provides the police work to do when you speed, etc, etc. It's only in theory that you "live" otherwise. You can't use your entire being and partake of a system and expect people to deny that like you do in order to make your philosophy work. The terms of such an "invisible or imaginary contract" represents the human being named "farfromglorified", willingly, happily and deliberately supporting and interacting with the American system.




    Here we see your subjective emotions are actually painting a picture that does not exist. Emotion skews reality. You've imagined I said "drunken wife-beater". Can you show me where I said that? How does "unhappy marriage" equate to "drunken wife-beater", unless you are strongly reading in from your own filters and distorting the facts? I even painted the woman as human/flawed, and you've still created her partner as a "drunken wife-beater" based on no indication of that.

    edit: not as bad as i thought.
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    angelica wrote:
    You use your entire being to buy into that contract in everyday. You use the resources available to you with all of your being--your entire being drives on the roads, your entire being provides the police work to do when you speed, etc, etc. It's only in theory that you "live" otherwise. You can't use your entire being and partake of a system and expect people to deny that like you do in order to make your philosophy work. The terms of such an "invisible or imaginary contract" represents the human being named "farfromglorified", willingly, happily and deliberately supporting and interacting with the American system.




    Here we see your subjective emotions are actually painting a picture that does not exist. Emotion skews reality. You've imagined I said "drunken wife-beater". Can you show me where I said that? How does "unhappy marriage" equate to "drunken wife-beater", unless you are strongly reading in from your own filters and distorting the facts? I even painted the woman as human/flawed, and you've still created her partner as a "drunken wife-beater" based on no indication of that.

    My dad was a drunken wife-beater. He beat his kids, too.

    Fucker.

    Not to mention he had a 172 IQ.
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    gue_barium wrote:
    edit: not as bad as i thought.
    Hey, at least I caught the dominatrix comment, back in the day. ;)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    angelica wrote:
    Hey, at least I caught the dominatrix comment, back in the day. ;)

    You've made a gemlight in my heart. :)
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    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm as mountain man as they get on this board, FFG. I've lived it. I've fished and hunted and scrounged for food while taking shelter in a tent in the woods for months on end. In this country.

    I don't think you could do it.

    You have the attitude, but I think the first few nights might break you. In fact, I'm sure you don't even know how to get that far. You're too comfy, and dependent.
    And again, it's like the woman who won't leave her husband. She doesn't like her options. So she "blames" the faulty options, and absolves her own being for what it does.

    Whether farfromglorified could or would do it, the facts show us that he chooses not to.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    angelica wrote:
    And again, it's like the woman who won't leave her husband. She doesn't like her options. So she "blames" the faulty options, and absolves her own being for what it does.

    Whether farfromglorified could or would do it, the facts show us that he chooses not to.

    You've tracked down the conflict/attitude. Now what?
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    gue_barium wrote:
    But, value, as it is, is dollar-dictated.

    No, value as however you choose to dictate it. If you don't believe dollars have value, or you don't believe dollars are an appropriate vehicle of exchange, find another.
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    gue_barium wrote:
    My dad was a drunken wife-beater. He beat his kids, too.

    Fucker.

    Not to mention he had a 172 IQ.

    That's true. He was a Mensan.
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    farfromglorified, I have to confront your "script" or what you tell yourself in order to cast the blame on others and absolve yourself. You see these scripts when others do it and you call them on it.

    I have had much "reason" to blame people for the horrors of my life. Notice that I don't blame anyone? My actually healing hinged on truly understanding my tacit agreement and compliance each step of the way in my life. Realizing and owning my choices is the true liberation. Denial and scripts is holding the lack of congruence between self and innner-harmony.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!

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