Hobbes or Locke?

Eireannach
Eireannach Posts: 4
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
If you ask me they're both fucking wrong
The first man having enclosed a piece of ground saying‘This is mine’finding people simple enough to believe him was the founder ofsociety.From howmany wars and murders might not anyone have saved mankind by pulling up the stakes and cryingBeware of this impostor the fruits of the earth belong to all
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Why?
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  • sapperskunk
    sapperskunk Posts: 684
    Eireannach wrote:
    If you ask me they're both fucking wrong


    If it aint Locke than it aint good. Proportional punishment, everyones equal in the eyes of god etc etc. Our founding fathers loved the guy, you should too. :)
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  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    sapperskunk wrote:
    If it aint Locke than it aint good. Proportional punishment, everyones equal in the eyes of god etc etc. Our founding fathers loved the guy, you should too. :)
    fuck yeah. :D
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    sapperskunk wrote:
    If it aint Locke than it aint good. Proportional punishment, everyones equal in the eyes of god etc etc. Our founding fathers loved the guy, you should too. :)

    I think he or she is Irish.
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  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    Collin wrote:
    I think he or she is Irish.
    He or she?

    You sleep strait through US History?

    He... John.. :rolleyes: :p

    Think you may be right about the Irish thing.. more likely English though.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    He or she?

    You sleep strait through US History?

    He... John.. :rolleyes: :p

    Think you may be right about the Irish thing.. more likely English though.

    Eireannach.

    And I never had US History but I had psychology.

    And Eireannach is a she.

    And John is a nice name for a girl too:D
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  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    Collin wrote:
    Eireannach.

    And I never had US History but I had psychology.

    And Eireannach is a she.

    And John is a nice name for a girl too:D
    ohh oh okay. :p

    You never had US history? You must be a foreigner..?
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Hobbes or Locke? I'd go with Collins! Michael Collins, that is.

    Nah, I'd go with Locke just kidding.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    "Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has a right to, but himself."

    "All wealth is the product of labor."

    "To love our neighbor as ourselves is such a truth for regulating human society, that by that alone one might determine all the cases in social morality."

    -John Locke


    Hobbes is a bitch.... ;)
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Locke and I am also very fond of Thomas Paine's writings as well.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Eireannach
    Eireannach Posts: 4
    Im Irish and to be honost im more of a rousseau girl, i guess that it means i agree with hobbes then maybe, wait i dont know i agree with different elements of all. I agree that a state of nature cannot work and will lead to a state but i dont agree that that SHOULD happen, then i agree with rousseau in his invention of property and society, fuck im confused
    The first man having enclosed a piece of ground saying‘This is mine’finding people simple enough to believe him was the founder ofsociety.From howmany wars and murders might not anyone have saved mankind by pulling up the stakes and cryingBeware of this impostor the fruits of the earth belong to all
  • Eireannach
    Eireannach Posts: 4
    ‘It is iron and wheat which first civilised men and ruined the human race.’ (DI: 92)

    ‘The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying ‘This is mine’. And found people simple enough to believe him, was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not anyone have saved mankind by pulling up the stakes or filling up the ditch and crying to his fellows; ‘Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself belongs to nobody’ (DI: 84)

    good old rousseau
    The first man having enclosed a piece of ground saying‘This is mine’finding people simple enough to believe him was the founder ofsociety.From howmany wars and murders might not anyone have saved mankind by pulling up the stakes and cryingBeware of this impostor the fruits of the earth belong to all
  • Eireannach
    Eireannach Posts: 4
    The founding of society

    The rich invented the state to protect their property and the consequences were dire:
    “All ran towards their chains believing that they were securing their liberty”

    “Such was, or must have been, the origin of society and of laws which put fetters on the weak and gave new powers to the rich, which irretrievably destroyed natural liberty, established for all time the law of property and inequality, transformed adroit usurpation into irrevokable right and for the benefit of a few ambitious men subjected the human race thenceforth to labour, servitude and misery”
    The first man having enclosed a piece of ground saying‘This is mine’finding people simple enough to believe him was the founder ofsociety.From howmany wars and murders might not anyone have saved mankind by pulling up the stakes and cryingBeware of this impostor the fruits of the earth belong to all
  • Rats of Multa
    Rats of Multa Posts: 250
    i shall vow to consume the leviathan.
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Rats of Multa wrote:
    i shall vow to consume the leviathan.

    Get some Rolaids....
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Eireannach wrote:
    If you ask me they're both fucking wrong

    Ehm, what is it you ask really? Perhaps some examples of both to show how you think they are so wrong. Or maybe what aspects of their theories you have problems with, as both has written a lot on many subjects.

    Enlighten me on this first, and I will say what I mean about it.

    Peace
    Dan
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  • Rats of Multa
    Rats of Multa Posts: 250
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Get some Rolaids....


    nah,.. beer should do the trick,....

    but thanks for looking out :)
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..

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