Youtube

Posts: 8,209
edited April 2008 in A Moving Train
I do not understand the constant need to bash youtube around here. Yes, people are communicating by video via the internet. There is now a visual and audio to go along with the information being shared...omg. :eek: Much like words we read on a computer screen, in the newspapers and in books....some of this info has truth to it, some of it does not....it's up to the viewer. And even stranger than that, it seems that people all have these things called different opinions....lots of them!! Let's try to remember that before we close our minds to everything different someone has to say or just because it's on a youtube clip. :rolleyes:


I like books, magazines, newspapers, website and yes, youtube. I am completely comfortable with getting my information from all kinds of sources because I know I can figure for myself if something is worth believing.

So I think your point is a bit petty unless you're going to start posting 'there's probably a book somewhere to prove it' along side your youtube dismissal. But that would sound pretty dumb.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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  • Posts: 1,052
    It's not just you tube it's anything that isn't a news website, it's quite annoying as we all know the media doesn't present the whole truth most of the time, yet it is the only thing people will take as gospel. Contradiction springs to mind.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
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    spiral out wrote:
    It's not just you tube it's anything that isn't a news website, it's quite annoying as we all know the media doesn't present the whole truth most of the time, yet it is the only thing people will take as gospel. Contradiction springs to mind.


    So true! You get called naive for believing something off an independent site or youtube clip by the same people eating up the mainstream media even though they have been proven to be liars and misleading time and time again. Go figure.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Posts: 838
    becaused people treat it as the bible of information. any jackass with a camera, graphic skills, and a computer can make up something and claim it as fact. loose change for example. then all you secular progressives start some truth movement because you saw something the mainstream wouldn't show when ini fact it was just some 20 year fucking around on the internet.
  • Posts: 8,209
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    becaused people treat it as the bible of information. any jackass with a camera, graphic skills, and a computer can make up something and claim it as fact. loose change for example. then all you secular progressives start some truth movement because you saw something the mainstream wouldn't show when ini fact it was just some 20 year fucking around on the internet.


    And they have books, websites, etc on these subjects, too,. Ever been to a bookstore?...all kinds of crazy and not so crazy subject matter. But books aren't bad nor is the use of books in general put down... so why youtube or independent sites?

    I think people should be smart enough to look at the content and decide for themselves. Just saying it's a youtube clip doesn't prove anything. It's nothing more than a petty attempt to discredit something based on nothing. Discredit the content if it's bullshit, that way you'll have a point.

    Youtube is nothing more than a medium for communication. People will use it for all kinds of things just like they do the other forms of media.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
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    spiral out wrote:
    It's not just you tube it's anything that isn't a news website, it's quite annoying as we all know the media doesn't present the whole truth most of the time, yet it is the only thing people will take as gospel. Contradiction springs to mind.

    most news websites have checks and balances. if they outright lie, other news outlets will quickly call them out on it. youtube however has nothing. ANYONE can make some fancy video with nice graphics and a sexy voice over and poof its FACT without anyone questioning it.
  • Posts: 838
    you tube is more for entertainment purposes then fact gathering.
  • Posts: 1,052
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    most news websites have checks and balances. if they outright lie, other news outlets will quickly call them out on it. youtube however has nothing. ANYONE can make some fancy video with nice graphics and a sexy voice over and poof its FACT without anyone questioning it.

    Ok you only need to read up on the big news corps to know a little about the media and the fact that it does not always report what is going on or indeed does not report things as they actually are.

    I know of a very big story over here that has not made it into the papers or on the news. The average person in the street has a right to know but there is a D notice on this story.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
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    spiral out wrote:
    Ok you only need to read up on the big news corps to know a little about the media and the fact that it does not always report what is going on or indeed does not report things as they actually are.

    I know of a very big story over here that has not made it into the papers or on the news. The average person in the street has a right to know but there is a D notice on this story.

    I'm not saying the mainstream news is always honest. probably far from it, but there are watchdogs groups, news outlets watching each other for accuracy, etc etc. most if not all of the crap on youtube goes unchecked. for example, many people to this day think bombs were planted in WTC simply because loose change showed some small white puff of smoke coming out some window. people eat it up as unquestionable facts.

    so what story are you referring to?
  • Posts: 2,374
    The Corporations don't like sites like Youtube and neither does this administration.

    So they have been mounting an anti-youtube campaign for quite some time.

    The the mainstream media (who are part of the group of corporations that don't like Youtube ) along with the Federal government came up with a nice campaign to demonize sites like Youtube and any other independant source and characterize them as garbage and foolishness; intheir attempt to marginalize.

    It's not just a " War Against Youtube".

    It's a " War Against Independant News Sources" .......a "War Against Independant Thinking" and a "War Against Freedom Of Information".

    Just a few more wars to go along with their standard 'War On Drugs" and "War On Terrorism".
  • Posts: 2,374
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    for example, many people to this day think bombs were planted in WTC simply because loose change showed some small white puff of smoke coming out some window. people eat it up as unquestionable facts.

    So exactly how does that differ from the crap fed to the American public by the Government and the Mainstream media?

    Every day they feed the American public a boatload of crap and most of it goes unchecked. Especially the crap that gets fed to them by the Government/Corporations.

    In fact, from this moment on, when refering to the Government, I will simply say " The Corporations". It's much more accurate and realistic.
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    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    So true! You get called naive for believing something off an independent site or youtube clip by the same people eating up the mainstream media even though they have been proven to be liars and misleading time and time again. Go figure.

    But there are plenty of videos on youtube that are also fabricated. Im not saying its any worse than the mainstream media, but whatever doubts you have towards the mainstream media, you should also have towards sites like youtube. I think its pretty naive to eat up either mainstream, or independent media. There are some truths with both, and plenty of BS with both.
  • Posts: 5,700
    Blanket crticisms of youtube are unfair, but treating youtube as a primary or unbiased source is foolish. Much of the content on youtube is exceptionally biased, shallow, and often times inaccurate or misleading. In the political arena, youtube's primary function is as a propaganda platform, not an information source. That said, there is certainly good content on youtube and it is a very powerful platform for sharing information.

    It really comes down to what you use it for. If you post a clip from youtube that was obviously produced by someone with an agenda, don't be surprised if you get backlash.
  • Posts: 2,374
    dg1979us wrote:
    Im not saying its any worse than the mainstream media,

    That's the point right there.

    And I believe that's ABook's point, too.
  • Posts: 838
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Blanket crticisms of youtube are unfair, but treating youtube as a primary or unbiased source is foolish. Much of the content on youtube is exceptionally biased, shallow, and often times inaccurate or misleading. In the political arena, youtube's primary function is as a propaganda platform, not an information source. That said, there is certainly good content on youtube and it is a very powerful platform for sharing information.

    It really comes down to what you use it for. If you post a clip from youtube that was obviously produced by someone with an agenda, don't be surprised if you get backlash.

    I feel the same way. well said.
  • Posts: 5,700
    NMyTree wrote:
    That's the point right there.

    And I believe that's ABook's point, too.

    I think it certainly is worse than the mainstream media. That's not to say that the mainstream media is good, but at least there is some accountability and decent editorial oversight there.

    The nice thing about youtube is that it's much broader than the mainstream media. There are stories and information on youtube that the mainstream isn't going to touch.
  • Posts: 1,052
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Blanket crticisms of youtube are unfair, but treating youtube as a primary or unbiased source is foolish. Much of the content on youtube is exceptionally biased, shallow, and often times inaccurate or misleading. In the political arena, youtube's primary function is as a propaganda platform, not an information source. That said, there is certainly good content on youtube and it is a very powerful platform for sharing information.

    It really comes down to what you use it for. If you post a clip from youtube that was obviously produced by someone with an agenda, don't be surprised if you get backlash.

    While i agree with what you are saying you can flip the coin over and it goes for the mainstream media to, It also has an agenda, that of the corporations that it is owned by.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • Posts: 2,374
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I think it certainly is worse than the mainstream media.

    I disagree.
  • Posts: 5,700
    spiral out wrote:
    While i agree with what you are saying you can flip the coin over and it goes for the mainstream media to, It also has an agenda, that of the corporations that it is owned by.

    Absolutely! But two biases are not necessarily equal. With the mainstream media, it's easier to identify those specific biases. Secondly, the media is still accountable to advertisers dollars and consumer minds, whereas that kind accountability is nonexistent or tenuous at best on youtube.

    I'm not defending mainstream media here. Mainstream media is lousy, often biased, and now unfortunately dominated by idiot talking heads spouting hysteria in the name of "analysis". However, the failures of mainstream media do not make youtube better. There are few problems with mainstream media that are less significant on youtube.
  • Posts: 5,700
    NMyTree wrote:
    I disagree.

    Ok, I don't really have a problem with that. It's a fairly subjective concept we're wrestling with here and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion as there's probably lots of evidence on both sides to support a case.
  • Posts: 1,917
    You Tube is Awesome

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukythkK4EPQ

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