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Abookamongstthemany
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I do not understand the constant need to bash youtube around here. Yes, people are communicating by video via the internet. There is now a visual and audio to go along with the information being shared...omg. :eek: Much like words we read on a computer screen, in the newspapers and in books....some of this info has truth to it, some of it does not....it's up to the viewer. And even stranger than that, it seems that people all have these things called different opinions....lots of them!! Let's try to remember that before we close our minds to everything different someone has to say or just because it's on a youtube clip. :rolleyes:
I like books, magazines, newspapers, website and yes, youtube. I am completely comfortable with getting my information from all kinds of sources because I know I can figure for myself if something is worth believing.
So I think your point is a bit petty unless you're going to start posting 'there's probably a book somewhere to prove it' along side your youtube dismissal. But that would sound pretty dumb.
I like books, magazines, newspapers, website and yes, youtube. I am completely comfortable with getting my information from all kinds of sources because I know I can figure for myself if something is worth believing.
So I think your point is a bit petty unless you're going to start posting 'there's probably a book somewhere to prove it' along side your youtube dismissal. But that would sound pretty dumb.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
So true! You get called naive for believing something off an independent site or youtube clip by the same people eating up the mainstream media even though they have been proven to be liars and misleading time and time again. Go figure.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And they have books, websites, etc on these subjects, too,. Ever been to a bookstore?...all kinds of crazy and not so crazy subject matter. But books aren't bad nor is the use of books in general put down... so why youtube or independent sites?
I think people should be smart enough to look at the content and decide for themselves. Just saying it's a youtube clip doesn't prove anything. It's nothing more than a petty attempt to discredit something based on nothing. Discredit the content if it's bullshit, that way you'll have a point.
Youtube is nothing more than a medium for communication. People will use it for all kinds of things just like they do the other forms of media.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
most news websites have checks and balances. if they outright lie, other news outlets will quickly call them out on it. youtube however has nothing. ANYONE can make some fancy video with nice graphics and a sexy voice over and poof its FACT without anyone questioning it.
Ok you only need to read up on the big news corps to know a little about the media and the fact that it does not always report what is going on or indeed does not report things as they actually are.
I know of a very big story over here that has not made it into the papers or on the news. The average person in the street has a right to know but there is a D notice on this story.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I'm not saying the mainstream news is always honest. probably far from it, but there are watchdogs groups, news outlets watching each other for accuracy, etc etc. most if not all of the crap on youtube goes unchecked. for example, many people to this day think bombs were planted in WTC simply because loose change showed some small white puff of smoke coming out some window. people eat it up as unquestionable facts.
so what story are you referring to?
So they have been mounting an anti-youtube campaign for quite some time.
The the mainstream media (who are part of the group of corporations that don't like Youtube ) along with the Federal government came up with a nice campaign to demonize sites like Youtube and any other independant source and characterize them as garbage and foolishness; intheir attempt to marginalize.
It's not just a " War Against Youtube".
It's a " War Against Independant News Sources" .......a "War Against Independant Thinking" and a "War Against Freedom Of Information".
Just a few more wars to go along with their standard 'War On Drugs" and "War On Terrorism".
So exactly how does that differ from the crap fed to the American public by the Government and the Mainstream media?
Every day they feed the American public a boatload of crap and most of it goes unchecked. Especially the crap that gets fed to them by the Government/Corporations.
In fact, from this moment on, when refering to the Government, I will simply say " The Corporations". It's much more accurate and realistic.
But there are plenty of videos on youtube that are also fabricated. Im not saying its any worse than the mainstream media, but whatever doubts you have towards the mainstream media, you should also have towards sites like youtube. I think its pretty naive to eat up either mainstream, or independent media. There are some truths with both, and plenty of BS with both.
It really comes down to what you use it for. If you post a clip from youtube that was obviously produced by someone with an agenda, don't be surprised if you get backlash.
That's the point right there.
And I believe that's ABook's point, too.
I feel the same way. well said.
I think it certainly is worse than the mainstream media. That's not to say that the mainstream media is good, but at least there is some accountability and decent editorial oversight there.
The nice thing about youtube is that it's much broader than the mainstream media. There are stories and information on youtube that the mainstream isn't going to touch.
While i agree with what you are saying you can flip the coin over and it goes for the mainstream media to, It also has an agenda, that of the corporations that it is owned by.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I disagree.
Absolutely! But two biases are not necessarily equal. With the mainstream media, it's easier to identify those specific biases. Secondly, the media is still accountable to advertisers dollars and consumer minds, whereas that kind accountability is nonexistent or tenuous at best on youtube.
I'm not defending mainstream media here. Mainstream media is lousy, often biased, and now unfortunately dominated by idiot talking heads spouting hysteria in the name of "analysis". However, the failures of mainstream media do not make youtube better. There are few problems with mainstream media that are less significant on youtube.
Ok, I don't really have a problem with that. It's a fairly subjective concept we're wrestling with here and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion as there's probably lots of evidence on both sides to support a case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukythkK4EPQ
Written information around here will only be read by some, the others find reading as hard as watch a you tube clip.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
That's certainly fair.
My main grief with youtube clips are the time that they consume, that I dont have...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Yeah I find this a pretty freakish phenomenon as well for some users that have this somehow stuck in their heads.
Documentaries, news articles, everything has a source. Some don't look at the sources and judge solely the presentation of information, rather than the information itself. Others blindly parrot the anti youtube sentiment because someone else said it before them.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I just think it's shortsighted and silly to write off one from of media while eating up the other kinds. People should be able to take in the info and decide for themselves instead of this knee-jerk reaction they have against anything 'youtube' or 'independent'.
I like to post Nader speeches...those are actually Nader speaking.
If you feel the content is bunk then debate that. Youtube is just somewhere to upload videos.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yeah, I read your Columbine thread and thought people were being assholes. If they disagree that's one thing but to feel the need to repeatedly be insulting and gang up like that shows a lack of class, imo.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
When you use to share articles from truthout (that gets their articles elsewhere) it became a 'problem' too.
With video sharing:
It takes them out of their comfortable medium they hack and puts you more in control of what you say.
A person has to view the whole thing in it's context rather than watch it all get picked apart line by line and rearranged.
That's right!
'Become the media'
We can be our own writers, directors, editors, producers and marketing.
People should be smart enough to discern what does and doesn't have merit for themselves.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Hehe...you could have done that before youtube. Because of youtube, however, there's really no more screening for talent
Absolutely. Most of the junk on youtube doesn't have much in the way of merit, hence the feedback you get sometimes.
The Internet has done wonders for the average person's ability to post content. Be it youtube, blogs, message boards, etc, it's really awesome that pretty much anyone can get out there and share their views, ideas and information. With that, however, comes a whole lot of absolute garbage. So, as you say, people have to really think about the merit of that information and need to approach user-driven content with a healthy dose of objectivity and skepticism. That not only goes for the audience, but also for the sharer.