World's wealthy worth $37.2 trillion and give <1% to charity

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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    onelongsong wrote:
    ... we're more worried about removing the words "under God" from the pledge...

    No, we were worried about inserting "under God" into the pledge because we thought that that would please God by setting us apart from the commies.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    It doesn't matter how small the percentage I can't agree to forcing someone to spend the money the way I see fit. Secondly not all wealthy individuals obtained their money through unfair practices or policies. Not every CEO fits the preconceived mold, that you have created for them, of the greedy old man swiping his employees retirement fund to buy another mansion. If it wasn't for some of these wealthy people I would have a job nor would you.

    I never said ALL earned their money that way. You choose to put those words in my mouth to make a point. I do know some do good and are fair but there's a large percent that do exactly what I was talking about. Watch the doc The Corporation...it'll show you the some of the ones I'm talking about.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    it was money spent to fight against the vietman war; to give equal rights to everyone; and get government OUT of our bedrooms. we also donated to the needy; but back then they were needy because of an accident or disability. now people are just lazy and i won't support that.

    Well, I don't think Nam was necessary.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    onelongsong wrote:
    we have that. it's called taxes. and when the majority of people say raise our taxes and give it to the poor; the government will gladly take that money and distribute it. will you be the first to say "raise my taxes"?

    Only if they are spending the money where it is needed which is far from the case seeing as how so much goes to programs that aren't helping the less fortunate in the least. And the social programs that are in place are being cut back and severely under funded.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I never said ALL earned their money that way. You choose to put those words in my mouth to make a point. I do know some do good and are fair but there's a large percent that do exactly what I was talking about. Watch the doc The Corporation...it'll show you the some of the ones I'm talking about.

    I've seen the documentary and I agree that there are plenty that are assholes but their are more wealthy people that are giving and do not use thievery to gain their riches. secondly i didn't put words in your mouth. i took you comment for what it was. Maybe next time be a bit more specific and your statments may not be misinterpreted.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I just don't believe the liberty do whatever you wish with all of your money or your liberty to gain as much wealth by any means you choose should trump the lives of others who are suffering endlessly and dying while you enjoy all of your precious liberty. Liberty means shit to them...they often don't even have access to a clean glass of water.

    when i read this i wonder if we'd have windows if bill gates was only allowed to make a certain amount of money. (you're asking for communism). or if the MRI would be invented yet if the inventors didn't have the money incentive. the second most powerful nation in the world tried it that way and fell [ussr]. all of us donate to a cause we feel is worthy. when we don't see a worthy cause or see corruption in the distribution of money to that cause; we don't donate. almost all of the money donated to catholic charities goes to help the poor. when did you donate last?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    hailhailkc wrote:
    Abortion? Leave me alone, it's my body, my choice.

    Drugs? Legalize them, we should be truly free and have a choice to use them if we desire.

    God? Don't force that down my throat.

    Other peoples money? Well…they should spend it the way WE think they should spend it…or they're greedy pigs!!!!!!!!!!!



    Funny how you guys get so involved with other peoples money, but you're so hands off about everything else. I wonder who the real greedy bastards are sometimes.


    Does an opinion that a group of people are cheap affect those peoples lives?

    Do you see people being arrested by police or confronted by protesters, or have people show up with bibles at their doors on how they open their wallets to charity?

    I don't...
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Only if they are spending the money where it is needed which is far from the case seeing as how so much goes to programs that aren't helping the less fortunate in the least. And the social programs that are in place are being cut back and severely under funded.

    i agree; but the money would be distributed by this same government. the same government that will give money and/or aid to illegals while ignoring our inner city problems. i heard part of a news story where water is being placed in the desert to save the lives of illegals crossing the border. when people are living the american dream they will donate to things that help americans; or others in other countries when needed. look at the money raised for the tsunami or katrina. if the money is being spent right; we will donate.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    I've seen the documentary and I agree that there are plenty that are assholes but their are more wealthy people that are giving and do not use thievery to gain their riches. secondly i didn't put words in your mouth. i took you comment for what it was. Maybe next time be a bit more specific and your statments may not be misinterpreted.

    Next time just don't assume past what I said. It's obvious every wealthy person doesn't fit into the same group as the one's I'm talking about here and I didn't feel the obvious needed to be stated.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Next time just done assume past what I said. It's obviously every wealthy person doesn't fit into the the same group as the one's I'm talking about here and I didn't feel the obvious needed to be stated.

    Don't blame me if you can't express yourself clearly.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    onelongsong wrote:
    when i read this i wonder if we'd have windows if bill gates was only allowed to make a certain amount of money. (you're asking for communism). or if the MRI would be invented yet if the inventors didn't have the money incentive. the second most powerful nation in the world tried it that way and fell [ussr]. all of us donate to a cause we feel is worthy. when we don't see a worthy cause or see corruption in the distribution of money to that cause; we don't donate. almost all of the money donated to catholic charities goes to help the poor. when did you donate last?

    I donate all the time, last week I renewed my amnesty international membership and sent extra...so what? Do I have to post ever time I donate to be able to have point here? That's ridiculous.

    Call it communism or whatever label you choose to demonize it with. The point still will stand. And I do believe people care about making the world a better place to live without having to be driven by money. I think that's a sad way to look at the human race and I don't share that view for one second. That's probably where our disagreement starts and can't get past.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    Don't blame me if you can't express yourself clearly.

    I said what I needed to say and you tried to add more to it. I even referred in the post to the ones using 'unfair practices'. The one's that don't obviously aren't included in that group.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    If you're not giving anything or less than 1% then yes, I think you are.

    So if you're giving 1.5% then you're OK?

    The point is, there's a lot more that all of us on this board could do and give than what we're doing and giving. When we all finally reach the point where we cannot possibly do more, then we would be entitled to look and pass judgement on what others are doing. Until that point, we're all just being hypocritical if we're judging.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    So if you're giving 1.5% then you're OK?

    The point is, there's a lot more that all of us on this board could do and give than what we're doing and giving. When we all finally reach the point where we cannot possibly do more, then we would be entitled to look and pass judgement on what others are doing. Until that point, we're all just being hypocritical if we're judging.

    I give a good amount, I like to give when I have it and if everyone gave the percentage I do or others like hippiemom does then the problem wouldn't be anywhere close to as large as it is now.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hailhailkc wrote:
    Abortion? Leave me alone, it's my body, my choice.

    Drugs? Legalize them, we should be truly free and have a choice to use them if we desire.

    God? Don't force that down my throat.

    Other peoples money? Well…they should spend it the way WE think they should spend it…or they're greedy pigs!!!!!!!!!!!



    Funny how you guys get so involved with other peoples money, but you're so hands off about everything else. I wonder who the real greedy bastards are sometimes.

    nice to see you hhkc. seems like years.

    i used to donate quite a bit. i admit a lot of it was for tax purposes but i got caught up in it and it was a good feeling. but i can't support a world like this. my donations now enable the world to continue this behavior. with global warming at our doors; the weak will die off and the strong will rebuild the nation.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I said what I needed to say and you tried to add more to it.

    Your ant-corporate anti-capitalist views are better clear on this board. You made a generalization and got called on it.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    Would people here say that to be considered "wealthy" you should be in the top 10% in the world?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    onelongsong wrote:
    i agree; but the money would be distributed by this same government. the same government that will give money and/or aid to illegals while ignoring our inner city problems. i heard part of a news story where water is being placed in the desert to save the lives of illegals crossing the border. when people are living the american dream they will donate to things that help americans; or others in other countries when needed. look at the money raised for the tsunami or katrina. if the money is being spent right; we will donate.

    The tsunami and katrina were all over the news. So many of the world's impoverished are left out of the headlines.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    Your ant-corporate anti-capitalist views are better clear on this board. You made a generalization and got called on it.

    Point to where I said all corporations or wealthy people used unfair practices.

    Point to me where I said any of this:
    Secondly not all wealthy individuals obtained their money through unfair practices or policies. Not every CEO fits the preconceived mold, that you have created for them, of the greedy old man swiping his employees retirement fund to buy another mansion. If it wasn't for some of these wealthy people I would have a job nor would you
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Well it should be a crime because it's doing a lot of harm just the same as other things that are against the law. I believe we owe it to humanity and to ourselves to make sure that the least among us aren't suffering needlessly. If you're allowing that to happen...damn right I'll begrudge you.

    Well done.
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