verbal agreements vs. contracts

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    No, both consumers and sellers/service providers need to protect themselves from those in our society who don't see fit to honor their committments.

    Well, maybe our needs have become too "otherworldy" to satisfy these sort of moral judgements. I don't like paying for drinking tap water.
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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, maybe our needs have become too "otherworldy" to satisfy these sort of moral judgements. I don't like paying for drinking tap water.

    when do you pay for drinking tap water?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    when do you pay for drinking tap water?

    It comes with the utility bill, right?

    And the thing of it is, it's horrible. I was out to a friend's place awhile ago, in the country, and I can't explain the nirvana I experienced drinking private well-water that was untainted with anything. God, that was some good water.
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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    gue_barium wrote:
    It comes with the utility bill, right?

    And the thing of it is, it's horrible. I was out to a friend's place awhile ago, in the country, and I can't explain the nirvana I experienced drinking private well-water that was untainted with anything. God, that was some good water.

    How else do you expect tap water to be supplied to you without being billed for it?

    Every region has its drawbacks.....the cities may have dirty water, but they have all mod cons...the country may have great water, but can be far from medical attention, movie theatres, etc.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    gue_barium wrote:
    It comes with the utility bill, right?

    And the thing of it is, it's horrible. I was out to a friend's place awhile ago, in the country, and I can't explain the nirvana I experienced drinking private well-water that was untainted with anything. God, that was some good water.

    After drinking and cooking with reverse osmosis water exclusively for the past 8 months, I finally got lazy in changing the charcoal filter (it gets clogged with rust like deposits every few months) Anyways I had to have a glass of regular tap water yesterday. I was so thirsty I chugged it. No exaggeration, it made me grimace for about 10 seconds dealing with the aftertaste. I'm on a water shelf that feeds from what is/was considered to be a clean lake.

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  • gue_barium
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    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    How else do you expect tap water to be supplied to you without being billed for it?

    Every region has its drawbacks.....the cities may have dirty water, but they have all mod cons...the country may have great water, but can be far from medical attention, movie theatres, etc.

    JOEJOEJOE, you aint getting my drift here. I'm all for capitalism and libertarianism, and competition, but I'm not for the irresponsible practices that cater to the likes of those who do business in the name of those ideas, especially when they suck.
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  • JOEJOEJOE
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    gue_barium wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE, you aint getting my drift here. I'm all for capitalism and libertarianism, and competition, but I'm not for the irresponsible practices that cater to the likes of those who do business in the name of those ideas, especially when they suck.

    I am, of course, against water pollution, unfair business practices, usery, etc.

    However, we, the people, need to pay more attention to environmental issues.

    The govt/big business only get away with what we allow our elected officials to tolerate, much like a spoiled child.

    The people of our country have raised a "spoiled child" but not paying attention to him...we've allowed him to do what he wants, so now, we need to deal with "his" actions.

    If more people voted, and were less forgiving, the "system" would be more likely to be a bit more conscientious.
  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    gue_barium wrote:
    You must be as cool as me since I don't understand what you're saying, either.

    ;)
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    gue_barium wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE, you aint getting my drift here. I'm all for capitalism and libertarianism, and competition, but I'm not for the irresponsible practices that cater to the likes of those who do business in the name of those ideas, especially when they suck.

    And that is why a contract is necessary. If you sign a contract with a service provider and the service that they are providing is not up to par then they are in breach of that contract. You are then protected by that contract and the service provider must either provide the proper service or return any fees that they may have collect for said service. A contract is not their to screw you over, if you read through the contract and do not like the terms all you have to do is not sign it and find someone that will offer you a contract with agreable terms. It is there to inform both participating entities of their requirements and obligations. It's laid out clear as day so their is no misunderstandings and in the end both entities have their rights protected under said contract.
    I'm sure that even with contracts there are people who still try to screw you over. When I bought my home the first mortgage company that i was going to use tried to pull a fast one on me. They quoted me an interest rate and when we finally sat down to sign I was reading through the contract and saw that the rate jumped half a percentage point. I didn't sign. I refused to sign with a company that who partake in such underhanded activities. I found another mortgage company and signed with them. The contract they offered was what I wanted so there was no problem. The only people who get screwed in a contract are the ones who don't take the time to read through it before they sign.
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  • gue_barium
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    mammasan wrote:
    And that is why a contract is necessary. If you sign a contract with a service provider and the service that they are providing is not up to par then they are in breach of that contract. You are then protected by that contract and the service provider must either provide the proper service or return any fees that they may have collect for said service. A contract is not their to screw you over, if you read through the contract and do not like the terms all you have to do is not sign it and find someone that will offer you a contract with agreable terms. It is there to inform both participating entities of their requirements and obligations. It's laid out clear as day so their is no misunderstandings and in the end both entities have their rights protected under said contract.
    I'm sure that even with contracts there are people who still try to screw you over. When I bought my home the first mortgage company that i was going to use tried to pull a fast one on me. They quoted me an interest rate and when we finally sat down to sign I was reading through the contract and saw that the rate jumped half a percentage point. I didn't sign. I refused to sign with a company that who partake in such underhanded activities. I found another mortgage company and signed with them. The contract they offered was what I wanted so there was no problem. The only people who get screwed in a contract are the ones who don't take the time to read through it before they sign.
    Contracts tend to be laughable for those with unlimited lawyers, and a few politicians on their side.
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