Was Housewife Too Quick To Pull Trigger?

onelongsong wrote:

dude; you'll never be a lawyer. find something else before you waste the money on law school. i can't remember 1 time when you were able to quote me right. i never once said ALL.
franch posted more information about the horn case somewhere. they were caught with $2000 and were illegals from colombia. AND; part of a crime ring. the police also believe the house was targeted and watched for some time.

you can't babble on without information and become a lawyer.

no, you just said it was "hogwash" that most crimes are unplanned crimes of opportunity. then to "prove" your point, you talked about one instance where a guy you know (funny how that comes up in EVERY debate we have... these guys you know) was a victim of some bizarre meth-head phone scam that even you admit you don't understand or really know about.

but you're right... IM the one who shouldn't be a lawyer.

onelongsong wrote:

the crimes that are planned; are the blokes who don't get caught. for every crime solved; there's a thousand that don't get solved. you may see more "crimes of oppertunity" being prosecuted; but that's because those criminals are easily caught. the other thing is he doesn't know the effects of meth. my son created a fool proof security system (for computers) while on meth. when he gets out of prison he may try to sell it to the government.

im saying the exact opposite. most of the unsolved crimes are crimes with no motive and no suspects, becos it was joe crackhead walking by, broke the window, grabbed your shit, and was gone. doesn't live there, never seen there, doesn't know who the victim is, and there is no way to catch him.

every moment you plan provides more evidence against you, more opportunity someone will see the bogeyman loitering around taking notes. more people they have to involve to secure the supplies and properly track the person. that's why the mob is all but dead.

onelongsong wrote:

once again you misquoted me. the meth heads staked out the house for days. stealing "just the right" mail. they knew when the homeowners wouldn't be home. i know everything that happened with the phone scam but i'm not talking as it involves someone i know. i will say that the phones came to my house. i happened to be home and refused them.

i posted this thread with the heading to show both sides must be seen. it's exactly oppisite of my stance in the joe horn debate. this is why you'll never be a lawyer. you didn't notice that need. a lawyer defends people he knows are guilty and tries to get the off; and he also defends people he knows are innocent and trys to get them off. a prosecutor tries to get a conviction whether the person is innocent or not. they look at it from a different point of view. thus the arguments in both directions.

in the horn case; he killed 2 criminals that were illegal; deported prior; and targeted immigrants. they had a long rap sheet.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5359290.html

but this isnt a legal debate, it's a moral/policy one.

i can argue all sides of any issue. the difference is my ability to see those sides does not strip me of the ability to make my own independent judgment of what is right and wrong. this girl was in the right, joe horn in the wrong. i've explained endlessly the moral line i draw. let's see you take a stand for once instead of hiding behind claims of playing devil's advocate or saying "hey, it's the law" while refusing to show your own hand or express opinions on the law's problems. i've acknowledged joe horn was probably within the law, i then expressed why i felt it was still wrong and the moral and policy implications of that law. i've stated clearly why i believe this lady was within the law and also morally right and a perfect example of the line the law should draw, while distinguishing it from the horn case. so why don't you tell me how they are the same aside from someone shooting someone else, why that decision was justified morally in both cases, and the potential policy outcomes or cosigning the behavior of joe horn.

onelongsong wrote:

if we're going to misquote; let's do it with some honesty.

:rolleyes: 50 eh? the kid argument again. i'll take reasonable beliefs over the "i know a guy who knew this dude and that dude said he heard from a friend that this is what went down." ever heard of hearsay?

least i'll own that these are my impressions without trying to inject them with some bullshit independent credibility from mysterious third parties. it's nice to know that you've apparently been friends with every criminal at one point or other.

neighborhood gang triggerman
unbeaten criminal trial attorney
family law litigator
independently wealthy millionaire businessman
medical resurrection miracle
famous rockstar in hiding
bounty hunter
country's 2nd largest buffalo rancher
while simultaneously deathly ill and wheelchair bound
arizona gunslinger whose killed 2 people to save lives
underground militia resistance member with stockpile of weapons just in case
son of an incredibly wealthy man hoarding tons of gols
yet grew up dirt poor and built an empire

am i missing any of your credentials captain america? im tired of listing them, but i did want to tell you about a good friend of mine. you see, his name is paul and he he had this big blue ox...

you spew so much bullshit heaven can smell it.

onelongsong wrote:

ah; again with twisting the facts. if you ever pass the bar; you might defend some people. if you're credable; you won't go spewing facts of their case over the internet. in you're studies; you'll learn the advantages of taking a bounty hunter class. i've never hunted anyone down; but i've been able to enter homes legally because of it. you'll find out.
to clairify; i have internal bleeding which cannot be stopped as of yet. they won't do the surgery until my blood is stable. my platelets are down too far and they're worried i'll bleed to death.
who the hell said anything about a wheelchair? as long as i get my transfusion; and take my meds; i'm right as rain.
the rest isn't worth commenting on. you'll find most successful people have done many things. my dad likes to travel and has many adventures. i've hunted and fished at least half the states and each was an adventure. especially deep sea fishing. ever been in porta vallarta for the marlin run?
order a few thousands pounds of buffalo meat and see if i can deliver. you can verify that bit easily.

i'm really sorry you have such a pitiful life. hopefully things will get better and you'll be able to experience the things life has to offer.

im cryin my heart out for ya.

what's the name of the buffalo company? i thought you were a family law attorney, now it's criminal law eh? and i thought you were retired, besides you said this was a friend not a client. but nice excuse anyway. what firm were you at? what business did you work at that gave you millions? was this before or after you were a rock star? i thought your health issues forced your retirement from the firm? so when did you make your billions? when were you in the band? did you leave it to practice family law? how did you grow up dirt poor with such a rich daddy? what's the name of the band you're so afraid to share lest all the women around here start fawning over you you stud you?

my life is peachy. so grand i dont feel the need to make shit up to make myself look cool and worldly and credible.

Jeanie wrote:

Oh you're always amusing.

man crush's ???? Be brave, no need to play coy with me. You wanna make foul and suggestive comments, don't be half hearted about it.

I mean here's me agreeing with Ahnimus, half the other folk on this thread and you on occassion, so I must be wrapping my lips around everyone then? Or do you only see it that way when I'm not agreeing with you?

Look around, you'll see the organized crime, it's really not the hard to spot because there's so much of it. But I tell ya if I ever decide to get involved in organized crime I'm looking you up as my lawyer. I mean you got more of a Pollyanna complex when it comes to this than me! Ha! And I didn't think that was possible. Be handy to have a lawyer that was oblivious. Make it easier to get my get out of jail free card.

only see it that way when you're on the side of the one guy in this forum that nobody can take seriously, aside from you.

i look around plenty. organized crime is there, certainly. but it's a fraction of the real crime out there.

Jeanie wrote:

What's this sides rubbish? What is this grade school?

And there are plenty of folk that take him just as serious as they take you dear and probably me too for that matter so let's all just grow up and get past the petty insults and tit for tat huh?

I really don't get how you think that the majority of crime is random and unorganized. I mean you've only got to look at the drug world and there's your organized crime straight up. Show me a city that's drug free.

well what do you expect from me? im just a kid with no real experience ya know? i would have thought that was obvious from the fact that i disagree with the paragon of measured wisdom and experience that is onelongsong. he even pointed it out for you. so what do you expect? a real, intelligent debate like i asked him for?

Jeanie wrote:

We've already established that I expect a lot from you. It's not news.

Now do you wanna keep talking about the topic or involve me in your silly mud slinging games? Coz if that's the case I'm out.

ironic that the kid is the one with high expectations and the 50 year old retiree is the one treated like a spoiled and indulgent child. but suit yourself. i shall step out.