I Love This Woman With All My Heart

NMyTree
NMyTree Posts: 2,374
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=470992007


Victim wears Mohammad cartoon to Madrid trial


" MADRID (Reuters) - A woman who lost her husband in the 2004 Madrid train bombings displayed an infamous cartoon mocking the Prophet Mohammad on her T-shirt in front of 29, mostly Muslim, suspects on trial for the attacks on Monday.

The woman's white T-shirt showed Mohammad wearing a bomb as a turban -- one of a series published by Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten which unleashed violent protests by some Muslims last year. "


" The woman sat in the front row of the court wearing the T-shirt for around half-an-hour before getting up, walking up to the glass cage containing the defendants and finally walking out of the court, judicial sources said. "


....and if she was making a statement against Christianity, Buddhism or whatever; I would love her equally.

God bless her!

Don't know which God, but what ever God there is; he certainly appreciates this woman's courage and the pain and grief she has endured.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Spain was a target for helping out in the Iraq war, what did it have to do with the cartoons?

    Also remember, right after the bombing, the spanish people spoke, they elected a new government.
    I feel sorry for her, but I just don't get it.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    MrBrian wrote:
    Spain was a target for helping out in the Iraq war, what did it have to do with the cartoons?

    Also remember, right after the bombing, the spanish people spoke, they elected a new government.
    I feel sorry for her, but I just don't get it.

    it was kind if an in your face protest against the violent strains of islam... kind of a challenge: is this what your religion really stands for? i think the resounding answer is no.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ignorant
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    soulsinging wrote:
    it was kind if an in your face protest against the violent strains of islam... kind of a challenge: is this what your religion really stands for? i think the resounding answer is no.

    I can see that, I just think that it would've made more sense if her husband was killed by someone angry about the cartoons. then wear the cartoon shirt in protest.

    The train bombings was about the iraq war, it was something kinda different. it was bad, but I think most of spain knew the cause of it. that's why they quickly changed the pro war government.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    MrBrian wrote:
    I can see that, I just think that it would've made more sense if her husband was killed by someone angry about the cartoons. then wear the cartoon shirt in protest.

    The train bombings was about the iraq war, it was something kinda different. it was bad, but I think most of spain knew the cause of it. that's why they quickly changed the pro war government.

    the cartoon rises above the iraq war and 9/11 and all of that nonsense. it is simply about the violent islamic fringe. and whatever their motives for the spain bombing were, they were part of that fringe. so it makes perfect sense.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    soulsinging wrote:
    the cartoon rises above the iraq war and 9/11 and all of that nonsense. it is simply about the violent islamic fringe. and whatever their motives for the spain bombing were, they were part of that fringe. so it makes perfect sense.

    well not quite,

    You see, yes it was part of a violent fringe, they blew people up. but at the same time the reason for doing that came directly from the war. As I mentioned above, this is well known. this is what the people of spain have said. that was the conclusion they reached.

    The cartoon protests was a seperate issue. you had mainly poor people being very angry when they felt that people were insulting the only thing they had. faith. now the only reason that these poor/third world people knew about the cartoons to start off with was because of a few so called clerics in denmark who sent these photos out to other countries. yes, those people are the crazy fringe. the people who wanted a heated reaction. so anger should be towards them. but now we are going away from the topic which is the train bombing. I guess they can be tied together in some way, but that just opens too many doors.
  • boxwine_in_hell
    boxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    I agree, this woman rocks!
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    MrBrian wrote:
    well not quite,

    You see, yes it was part of a violent fringe, they blew people up. but at the same time the reason for doing that came directly from the war. As I mentioned above, this is well known. this is what the people of spain have said. that was the conclusion they reached.

    The cartoon protests was a seperate issue. you had mainly poor people being very angry when they felt that people were insulting the only thing they had. faith. now the only reason that these poor/third world people knew about the cartoons to start off with was because of a few so called clerics in denmark who sent these photos out to other countries. yes, those people are the crazy fringe. the people who wanted a heated reaction. so anger should be towards them. but now we are going away from the topic which is the train bombing. I guess they can be tied together in some way, but that just opens too many doors.

    you're not understanding me. her wearing the shirt has absolutely nothing to do with the cartoon protests, aside from th fact that she chose a famous cartoon to voice her protest. nothing at all. the intent of the cartoon was a criticism of the violent islamic fringe responsible for the madrid bombings, the london bombings, and 9/11. her wearing the shirt was simply using a well known cartoon to reinforce this message criticizing violence. it was not a comment on the angry reaction to the cartoon or at all related to that. it rises above that nonsense to remind us that the purpose of that cartoon was not to slam on islam, but rather a pointed criticism of a particular sect of islam. i dont know how to say it any clearer. it has nothing to do with iraq or the uproar the cartoon caused. it is solely a protest against religious justifications for violence, just like the cartoon was. she just used a well known cartoon to get her point across instead of a shirt with block text saying "what would mohammed really do?"
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    soulsinging wrote:
    you're not understanding me. her wearing the shirt has absolutely nothing to do with the cartoon protests, aside from th fact that she chose a famous cartoon to voice her protest. nothing at all. the intent of the cartoon was a criticism of the violent islamic fringe responsible for the madrid bombings, the london bombings, and 9/11. her wearing the shirt was simply using a well known cartoon to reinforce this message criticizing violence. it was not a comment on the angry reaction to the cartoon or at all related to that. it rises above that nonsense to remind us that the purpose of that cartoon was not to slam on islam, but rather a pointed criticism of a particular sect of islam. i dont know how to say it any clearer. it has nothing to do with iraq or the uproar the cartoon caused. it is solely a protest against religious justifications for violence, just like the cartoon was. she just used a well known cartoon to get her point across instead of a shirt with block text saying "what would mohammed really do?"

    You'll make a decent lawyer my friend.
    ----

    But remember, one can also argue that her intent was not at all what you said. but merely trying to inflict as much psychological pain as possible on the people who took part in her husbands death. knowing that the only way to get them is to insult what they love the most. so as they had hate in their eyes, so did she.

    That can and will only lead to more hate.
    ----

    But you know, i'm also playing just a bit of advocātus diabolī...well not playing too much of it. just for fun. get my brain working again. I have a bit of a flu.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    NMyTree wrote:
    http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=470992007


    Victim wears Mohammad cartoon to Madrid trial


    " MADRID (Reuters) - A woman who lost her husband in the 2004 Madrid train bombings displayed an infamous cartoon mocking the Prophet Mohammad on her T-shirt in front of 29, mostly Muslim, suspects on trial for the attacks on Monday.

    The woman's white T-shirt showed Mohammad wearing a bomb as a turban -- one of a series published by Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten which unleashed violent protests by some Muslims last year. "


    " The woman sat in the front row of the court wearing the T-shirt for around half-an-hour before getting up, walking up to the glass cage containing the defendants and finally walking out of the court, judicial sources said. "


    ....and if she was making a statement against Christianity, Buddhism or whatever; I would love her equally.

    God bless her!

    Don't know which God, but what ever God there is; he certainly appreciates this woman's courage and the pain and grief she has endured.

    Its cute, and I am happy if it eases her pain.. and perhaps gives her a feeling of revenge. But love her with all your heart? An insult to the muslim religion brings you joy?

    ugh
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    MrBrian wrote:
    But remember, one can also argue that her intent was not at all what you said. but merely trying to inflict as much psychological pain as possible on the people who took part in her husbands death. knowing that the only way to get them is to insult what they love the most. so as they had hate in their eyes, so did she.

    That can and will only lead to more hate.

    This is precisely why I would have done it. If they had killed a loved one of mine I'd hate them and want to inflict as much emotional damage as possible.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I wonder if a picture of Christ eating out a prostitute would mean as much to the Christian world.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I wonder if a picture of Christ eating out a prostitute would mean as much to the Christian world.

    People may be offended but there were nowhere near the actions of the violent fringe in the Muslim faith last time I remember art for the sake of offensiveness.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    zstillings wrote:
    People may be offended but there were nowhere near the actions of the violent fringe in the Muslim faith last time I remember art for the sake of offensiveness.

    Yea different culture maybe. I guess it's not all faith that's to blame.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I wonder if a picture of Christ eating out a prostitute would mean as much to the Christian world.

    My university did a comic that had him giving head to a pig.....the dude who drew it refused to apologize and was removed from the paper. However the uproar was big (only vocal) but quickly dimmed away.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    "She later received support from psychologists drafted to help victims' families through the trial, Spanish media reported."

    This does speak volumes, does it not?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    My university did a comic that had him giving head to a pig.....the dude who drew it refused to apologize and was removed from the paper. However the uproar was big (only vocal) but quickly dimmed away.

    Yea, of course. People aren't going to allow their savior to be depicted in demeaning ways. I think the drawing of Mohammed is the same kind of thing.

    Sure, Christ represented the prostitutes and slaves of his time, he was all about them. But if represented a certain way, it's offensive.

    Then again, offensiveness is entirely dependent on the individual. Yay, free speech!
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, of course. People aren't going to allow their savior to be depicted in demeaning ways. I think the drawing of Mohammed is the same kind of thing.

    Sure, Christ represented the prostitutes and slaves of his time, he was all about them. But if represented a certain way, it's offensive.

    Then again, offensiveness is entirely dependent on the individual. Yay, free speech!

    If you find something tasteless you have the option to turn a blind eye.

    Letting it inferiate you only shows a sign of weakness in my opinon. A weakness that goes straight to your belief. A strong willed person will ignore it and move on.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    If you find something tasteless you have the option to turn a blind eye.

    Letting it inferiate you only shows a sign of weakness in my opinon. A weakness that goes straight to your belief. A strong willed person will ignore it and move on.

    I don't see varying degrees of will.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Tom K
    Tom K Posts: 842
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I wonder if a picture of Christ eating out a prostitute would mean as much to the Christian world.

    Have you ever heard of piss christ by Andres Serrano?
    I'm gone ..Long gone..This time I'm letting go of it all...So long...Cause this time I'm gone

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