Is homosexuality a disease?

hippiemom · December 2006

Dino283 wrote:

homosexuell's are unconstitutional.they bring nothin to society exept aids.i dont think its a DISEASE, but is damn right disgusting and folk's who do this kind of thing make me sick to my stomach.Adoption should be reserved for those who cant have kid's and those who will raise it into a good,normal human being.how can a child be normal when its raised by two fuckin fairy's. im all for the sepration of church and state,but if we need god some were it's NOW.

Oh look! Our resident constitutional law scholar has weighed in with his opinions!

This is some good shit here

I needed the laugh, so thank you, Dino!

onelongsong · December 2006

Jeanie wrote:

Suits me! Happy to know you and call you my friend. I'm very good at reciprocating loyalty myself so I guess you're stuck with me!

As for the bizo about the first black man and the apes I doubt very much we will ever know. I think I stick to the ape theory as opposed to the "creation" theory but I suppose I really hold that we started as cell life and probably crawled out of the swamps or the oceans. (Jumping forward to apes from that sits better in my mind!) Look all I really know is that I came from some bloke back in England and a few folk from Ireland and Poland. That's enough for me. Really I have no idea how I came to be here!!!!

i've got a wee bit of liverpool in me but i'm mostly polish. i collect irises and when i moved i took them with me. they adapted to the climate and elevation and although they look a little different; they didn't evolve into a new species of iris. on the other hand; a chimp looks like a chimp no matter where you move it to. an ape is an ape no matter where it's moved. with this in mind; did the chinese evolve from chinese apes? if not; why does a german look different from a chinese person? if it's geographical; then why do ethnic groups that have come to america hundreds of years ago still look the same? also; if it's DNA; then how do you change DNA? how can we differentiate between ethnic groups through DNA yet we cannot link any DNA to apes? you can take DNA from a hundred breeds of dogs and still identify the samples as dogs. theories; eh?

onelongsong · December 2006

hippiemom wrote:

My brother and I remind each other of stuff like this all the time, just for laughs.

so if it's still on your mind so many years later; you've proven my point that it stays with a person for a long time to come. ever hear of gallow laugh?

Collin · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

i've got a wee bit of liverpool in me but i'm mostly polish. i collect irises and when i moved i took them with me. they adapted to the climate and elevation and although they look a little different; they didn't evolve into a new species of iris. on the other hand; a chimp looks like a chimp no matter where you move it to. an ape is an ape no matter where it's moved. with this in mind; did the chinese evolve from chinese apes? if not; why does a german look different from a chinese person? if it's geographical; then why do ethnic groups that have come to america hundreds of years ago still look the same? also; if it's DNA; then how do you change DNA? how can we differentiate between ethnic groups through DNA yet we cannot link any DNA to apes? you can take DNA from a hundred breeds of dogs and still identify the samples as dogs. theories; eh?

Yeah well take some apes, put some in England, some in Thailand and some in Australia and wait millions and millions of years anything changed?

Also, just some trivia did you know that a bonobo's dna is 98.7% identical to that of homo sapiens. They are more closely remated to humans than gorillas.

hippiemom · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

so if it's still on your mind so many years later; you've proven my point that it stays with a person for a long time to come. ever hear of gallow laugh?

I haven't proven anything of the sort. You'll have to trust me when I tell you that I'm quite capable of differentiating between what was traumatic and what wasn't. I remember them because they were anomalies, not because they're bothering me. We all tend to remember things that are out of the ordinary.

An example ... I don't remember what we were doing, but I must have been fucking up whatever it was, because I remember my mom saying "oh my god, I cannot believe I raised such a dumbass." I was just stunned, because that's not something I would ever expect my mother to say, so I was staring at her in shocked surprise and she realized what she'd just said and started apologizing all over the place, at which point I started laughing. I mean, it was FUNNY! Now, if that was something I heard on a regular basis, that would be one thing, but I knew that my mother didn't really think I was a dumbass because normally she praised me for being clever. She was just frustrated, and I was probably acting like a dumbass at the time. I repeat, anyone who would be upset about this even minutes later, much less years later, needs help.

onelongsong · December 2006

hippiemom wrote:

I haven't proven anything of the sort. You'll have to trust me when I tell you that I'm quite capable of differentiating between what was traumatic and what wasn't. I remember them because they were anomalies, not because they're bothering me. We all tend to remember things that are out of the ordinary.

An example ... I don't remember what we were doing, but I must have been fucking up whatever it was, because I remember my mom saying "oh my god, I cannot believe I raised such a dumbass." I was just stunned, because that's not something I would ever expect my mother to say, so I was staring at her in shocked surprise and she realized what she'd just said and started apologizing all over the place, at which point I started laughing. I mean, it was FUNNY! Now, if that was something I heard on a regular basis, that would be one thing, but I knew that my mother didn't really think I was a dumbass because normally she praised me for being clever. She was just frustrated, and I was probably acting like a dumbass at the time. I repeat, anyone who would be upset about this even minutes later, much less years later, needs help.

for something that happened many years ago; it sure seems fresh in your mind for an incident forgotten minutes after it happened. you don't remember what you were doing; just being called a dumbass. thus; the part of the incident that stuck with you was/is being called a dumbass. this says a lot.

onelongsong · December 2006

Collin wrote:

Yeah well take some apes, put some in England, some in Thailand and some in Australia and wait millions and millions of years anything changed?

Also, just some trivia did you know that a bonobo's dna is 98.7% identical to that of homo sapiens. They are more closely remated to humans than gorillas.

do you have a link?

hippiemom · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

for something that happened many years ago; it sure seems fresh in your mind for an incident forgotten minutes after it happened. you don't remember what you were doing; just being called a dumbass. thus; the part of the incident that stuck with you was/is being called a dumbass. this says a lot.

I remember it because it was funny.

onelongsong · December 2006

hippiemom wrote:

I remember it because it was funny.

i'm going to leave this alone; but first i want to point out one more thing.
as an example:
i remember when i poured my koolaid on my cereal when the milk was in front of me. my mum was is such shock; she called me a dumbass without even thinking. after the innitial shock wore off; we all laughed.
now that's a funny memory.
saying i don't remember what happened but my mum called me a dumbass and i laughed at her; is an underlying hurt.
that's why i asked if you've ever heard of gallow laugh.
anyway; we all deal with things differently so the subject is closed in my book. i hope it is a fond memory.

qwerty1 · December 2006

jeffbr wrote:

Is this guy for real? My theory is that it is Al Franken doing a spoof on the southern, bible-belt, god-fearing, ultra-right, fundamentalist, evangelical Christian stereotype. It's way too funny to be legit.

Im thinking the same thing.

hippiemom · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

i'm going to leave this alone; but first i want to point out one more thing.
as an example:
i remember when i poured my koolaid on my cereal when the milk was in front of me. my mum was is such shock; she called me a dumbass without even thinking. after the innitial shock wore off; we all laughed.
now that's a funny memory.
saying i don't remember what happened but my mum called me a dumbass and i laughed at her; is an underlying hurt.
that's why i asked if you've ever heard of gallow laugh.
anyway; we all deal with things differently so the subject is closed in my book. i hope it is a fond memory.

It is a fond memory. It wasn't hurtful because it never crossed my mind that she actually meant it. She thought that I was a sneaky and disobedient little smart-ass (she was right about that), but I knew she didn't think I was stupid. She may have thought I was acting pretty stupid at the moment (and I probably was), but there's a big difference between thinking someone has done a dumb thing and that they are actually dumb.

That's the only point I've been trying to make ... that you can't pinpoint one isolated incident and call it "child abuse," because by that standard we are all abused, and we are all abusers, which is nonsense. Everything that takes place in a family takes place in a context. A very healthy and loving relationship can easily withstand the occasional, inevitable mistakes. In a disfunctional relationship, those same mistakes are much more damaging.

soulsinging · December 2006

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm not going through this with you again.

Personal experience is not everything. When we are talking about the effects of having homosexual parents or homosexuality in general, or child development in general, personal experience amounts to squat.

it may not be statistically significant for scientific purposes, but it's ridiculous to say that it is not reality.

soulsinging · December 2006

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm pretty sure it is

Main Entry: 1dy·nam·ic
Pronunciation: dI-'na-mik
Function: adjective
Etymology: French dynamique, from Greek dynamikos powerful, from dynamis power, from dynasthai to be able
1 also dy·nam·i·cal /-mi-k&l/ a : of or relating to physical force or energy b : of or relating to dynamics
2 a : marked by usually continuous and productive activity or change <a dynamic city> b : ENERGETIC, FORCEFUL <a dynamic personality>
3 of random-access memory : requiring periodic refreshment of charge in order to retain data
- dy·nam·i·cal·ly /-mi-k(&-)lE/ adverb
http://m-w.com/dictionary/dynamical

Man, why do you even say this crap?

i stand corrected. ive simply never in my life heard it used. seems to me it would be just as appropriate to have used dynamic in that sentence. i wonder why dynamical even exists. it sounds like something george bush would say.

soulsinging · December 2006

Dino283 wrote:

I have a son.hes a good kid.nobody i know down here is gay.not to my knowledge. why would he turn out like that.no history of it in the family, or his mother's. if he DID turn out a faggot ide be pissed,sure i would.but hes still my son.

i guarantee you know somebody who is gay, they just probly havent told you cos of shit like what you spew around here.

gay parents does not equal gay kids. likewise, straight parents doesn't always equal straight kids.

would you refuse to talk to your kid and tell him he's disgusting? would you treat him differently than you would other gay people? dick cheney used to hate "fairys" like you do. funny thing happens when someone close to you turns out to be one though... you suddenly get a lot more reasonable and realize they're human too.

lastly, im not a violent man. but if i was the local prosecutor and someone laid the hurt on dino, im pretty sure id look the other way.

onelongsong · December 2006

hippiemom wrote:

It is a fond memory. It wasn't hurtful because it never crossed my mind that she actually meant it. She thought that I was a sneaky and disobedient little smart-ass (she was right about that), but I knew she didn't think I was stupid. She may have thought I was acting pretty stupid at the moment (and I probably was), but there's a big difference between thinking someone has done a dumb thing and that they are actually dumb.

That's the only point I've been trying to make ... that you can't pinpoint one isolated incident and call it "child abuse," because by that standard we are all abused, and we are all abusers, which is nonsense. Everything that takes place in a family takes place in a context. A very healthy and loving relationship can easily withstand the occasional, inevitable mistakes. In a disfunctional relationship, those same mistakes are much more damaging.

i can agree with that. very much so. i remember a time when i was accused of something i didn't do; but my father took the other side. now this may not be abuse; but it's hurtful that he didn't stand by me. i went and did something similar since i was punished for it anyway; but he should have stood by me and heard out the evidence. looking back it is petty and hasn't ruined my life; but to a 9 year old it was devastating. i knew then my father wouldn't stand by me. it took a lot of years for him to prove to me he would; but i lashed out because of it. the girl i've been calling my baby has lashed out at everyone but me because of what her mother did to her. i believe that remembering that hurtful incident is the reason i can reach the kids noone else can. i not only see the emptiness inside them but can understand it.
i do see and understand what you're saying; and i believe you are right in your case; but you're one in a billion.

angelica · December 2006

soulsinging wrote:

it may not be statistically significant for scientific purposes, but it's ridiculous to say that it is not reality.

Not to mention that it's ludicrous to imply that people on message boards--a forum for sharing, expressing and developing opinions--refrain from sharing, expressing and developing opinions. I'm all for an informed opinion, and it's great that sometimes we all learn on message boards. But to disdain people just being where they are with their opinions, I do not support. I support people getting their opinions on the table and into the light of reason where they CAN and DO evolve. This goes for any opinion within the range from completely unreasonable to highly reasoned.

onelongsong · December 2006

soulsinging wrote:

it may not be statistically significant for scientific purposes, but it's ridiculous to say that it is not reality.

science is done in a controlled enviornment; real life is not. for example; in high school a study was done about the number of student who smoked pot. everyone i knew said no even though we were the schools biggest stoners. the study showed 45% smoked; but because of the size of the school and those i knew said no; it should've been doubled.

onelongsong · December 2006

angelica wrote:

Not to mention that it's ludicrous to imply that people on message boards--a forum for sharing, expressing and developing opinions--refrain from sharing, expressing and developing opinions. I'm all for an informed opinion, and it's great that sometimes we all learn on message boards. But to disdain people just being where they are with their opinions, I do not support. I support people getting their opinions on the table and into the light of reason where they CAN and DO evolve. This goes for any opinion within the range from completely unreasonable to highly reasoned.

going a step further; i've had several opinions changed by listening to the others on this board.

angelica · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

going a step further; i've had several opinions changed by listening to the others on this board.

Me, too. Many times.

soulsinging · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

going a step further; i've had several opinions changed by listening to the others on this board.

that's funny, ive changed several opinions on this board... it's tough sometimes trying to talk sense into some of the folks around here

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