I hope you motherfuckers are right
slightofjeff
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I recall reading a story in the days after the 2004 election about Vincent D'Onofrio, the "Law and Order" guy, and how he was so depressed about Bush's re-election that he couldn't even go into work for a month.
I thought, at the time, that was kind of an overemotional imbecile. I woke up this morning, however, kind of sympathizing with him -- and with the rest of you who figured four more years of Bush meant the end of the world as we knew it.
I'm not feeling quite as melodramatic as Vince was back in '04. Perhaps, since there's been a feel of inevitability about an Obama win for at least the past month, I'd grown used to the idea. It wasn't like I was blindsided.
However, I can say that, after this election of "hope" and "change:" The only thing that has changed is an increase in my hopelessness. As the father of a 2-month-old, I worry about what her world will be like for the next four (or eight) years.
I am worried Obama's tax plans are going to cost my family money, if not directly (and simply allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will cost me $4,000. without Obama lifting a finger) then indirectly. Even if he only overtaxes The Rich ... well, The Rich are the people who pay my salary and sell me groceries ... so, it still affects my pocketbook.
I am worried Obama's extreme environmental policies are going to cause my gas and electric bills to skyrocket. Again, even if he doesn't raise my taxes ... well, this has the same net effect.
I am worried Obama's I'm-okay, you're-okay foreign policy will take us back to a time when it was easy to terrorize on American soil. Say what you want about Bush -- and you have plenty of legitimate fodder -- the one thing he was good at, since 9/11, was keeping shit from blowing up on this side of the pond.
But, now, after all that, I get to my point. The incendiary nature of this thread title aside, I really mean it:
I hope you Obama motherfuckers are right. From the bottom of my heart, I hope that.
Unlike some folks, I don't think of politics as game, where my team needs to beat your team. Obama won the election. If he sucks, we're all losers. If he succeeds, we're all winners.
I want him to succeed. I need him to succeed.
So, I hope I am wrong about everything I believe. I hope the worldview under which I've existed for my entire life is shattered.
It's an odd feeling: I hope, sincerely, that everything I know is wrong. And that all you other motherfuckers are right.
Today, it's the only thing keeping me from pulling a D'Onofrio.
I thought, at the time, that was kind of an overemotional imbecile. I woke up this morning, however, kind of sympathizing with him -- and with the rest of you who figured four more years of Bush meant the end of the world as we knew it.
I'm not feeling quite as melodramatic as Vince was back in '04. Perhaps, since there's been a feel of inevitability about an Obama win for at least the past month, I'd grown used to the idea. It wasn't like I was blindsided.
However, I can say that, after this election of "hope" and "change:" The only thing that has changed is an increase in my hopelessness. As the father of a 2-month-old, I worry about what her world will be like for the next four (or eight) years.
I am worried Obama's tax plans are going to cost my family money, if not directly (and simply allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will cost me $4,000. without Obama lifting a finger) then indirectly. Even if he only overtaxes The Rich ... well, The Rich are the people who pay my salary and sell me groceries ... so, it still affects my pocketbook.
I am worried Obama's extreme environmental policies are going to cause my gas and electric bills to skyrocket. Again, even if he doesn't raise my taxes ... well, this has the same net effect.
I am worried Obama's I'm-okay, you're-okay foreign policy will take us back to a time when it was easy to terrorize on American soil. Say what you want about Bush -- and you have plenty of legitimate fodder -- the one thing he was good at, since 9/11, was keeping shit from blowing up on this side of the pond.
But, now, after all that, I get to my point. The incendiary nature of this thread title aside, I really mean it:
I hope you Obama motherfuckers are right. From the bottom of my heart, I hope that.
Unlike some folks, I don't think of politics as game, where my team needs to beat your team. Obama won the election. If he sucks, we're all losers. If he succeeds, we're all winners.
I want him to succeed. I need him to succeed.
So, I hope I am wrong about everything I believe. I hope the worldview under which I've existed for my entire life is shattered.
It's an odd feeling: I hope, sincerely, that everything I know is wrong. And that all you other motherfuckers are right.
Today, it's the only thing keeping me from pulling a D'Onofrio.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
for the least they could possibly do
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Not sure how this thread got posted three times ... I'm not a moron. I don't think.
Then again, up is down for me today
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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it's dangerous business stepping into such a liberal place like a Pearl Jam board and saying anyting that might rattle its many sheep. look at what my thread has done, though it is different from yours. God knows people will reply with "you're a moron" and nothing else. I'm with you on this! I hope I can say I was wrong one day. but it looks pretty dim that I will, when we've had plenty of warning from the horse's mouth what's to come if he's elected. when he does something to prove me wrong, I will shut up. but good for you for being one of the very few who get on here to post your views that, God forbid, differ from the majority.0
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the alternative was another four years of mind crushing, soul destroying republican bullshit. YES!! the right move was made.hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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catefrances wrote:the alternative was another four years of mind crushing, soul destroying republican bullshit. YES!! the right move was made.
I can just feel that bipartisan healin'![sic] happens0 -
slightofjeff wrote:...
I am worried Obama's I'm-okay, you're-okay foreign policy will take us back to a time when it was easy to terrorize on American soil. Say what you want about Bush -- and you have plenty of legitimate fodder -- the one thing he was good at, since 9/11, was keeping shit from blowing up on this side of the pond...
and when was that? and what makes you think youre safer now? on 9/10 im sure you felt ubersafe in your house, yeah?? do you feel that safe now?
before 9/11 the biggest terrorist attack on american soil was enacted by an AMERICAN citizen. remember that.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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goo wrote:it's dangerous business stepping into such a liberal place like a Pearl Jam board and saying anyting that might rattle its many sheep. look at what my thread has done, though it is different from yours. God knows people will reply with "you're a moron" and nothing else. I'm with you on this! I hope I can say I was wrong one day. but it looks pretty dim that I will, when we've had plenty of warning from the horse's mouth what's to come if he's elected. when he does something to prove me wrong, I will shut up. but good for you for being one of the very few who get on here to post your views that, God forbid, differ from the majority.
I don't think anyone will be calling him a moron since he made valid political points. People probably called you a moron because you used "he has a Muslim background" as a reason he will be bad for the country.
So to recap: slightofjeff = valid points, goo = moronic points
EDIT: Just because a lot of people here have similiar opinions it doesn't make them sheep, you can find thousands of message boards were the majority are republicans0 -
not every republican is bad, and imho, they were both wrong choices for president.PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
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No goo, slightofjeff's post isn't misguided, offensive and moronic, it's a person hoping that the people have voted for the right man for the job. Don't align yourself with him, he doesn't deserve that. He is not spewing mindless crap, he's just worried about his family.goo wrote:it's dangerous business stepping into such a liberal place like a Pearl Jam board and saying anyting that might rattle its many sheep. look at what my thread has done, though it is different from yours. God knows people will reply with "you're a moron" and nothing else. I'm with you on this! I hope I can say I was wrong one day. but it looks pretty dim that I will, when we've had plenty of warning from the horse's mouth what's to come if he's elected. when he does something to prove me wrong, I will shut up. but good for you for being one of the very few who get on here to post your views that, God forbid, differ from the majority.
slightofjeff, I hope the people are right too, and I'm quietly confident that Obama was the better man for the job, not necessarily the best man but then I'm more concerned, as a non-American, about how the US President will work out with regards to global action, your tax raises aren't a pressing concern for me, I'll admit that. It's got to suck, we are feeling the pinch over here too, but for me, this election has meant, without wanting to sound like an Obama advert, real hope for change in terms of some of the shitty stuff happening right now in the world. I hope he works out for you guys on the home level too."I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"0 -
one of the reasons my grandmother hated obama was because his middle name is hussein. no fucking joke. like he knew the implications of that as an infant :rolleyes:jasonw wrote:I don't think anyone will be calling him a moron since he made valid political points. People probably called you a moron because you used "he has a Muslim background" as a reason he will be bad for the country.
So to recap: slightofjeff = valid points, goo = moronic pointsPJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
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Jeremy1012 wrote:No goo, slightofjeff's post isn't misguided, offensive and moronic, it's a person hoping that the people have voted for the right man for the job. Don't align yourself with him, he doesn't deserve that. He is not spewing mindless crap, he's just worried about his family.
slightofjeff, I hope the people are right too, and I'm quietly confident that Obama was the better man for the job, not necessarily the best man but then I'm more concerned, as a non-American, about how the US President will work out with regards to global action, your tax raises aren't a pressing concern for me, I'll admit that. It's got to suck, we are feeling the pinch over here too, but for me, this election has meant, without wanting to sound like an Obama advert, real hope for change in terms of some of the shitty stuff happening right now in the world. I hope he works out for you guys on the home level too.
I'll say what I want. and if you're one of the many easily offended pussies on this board that doesn't it like it when people voice their opinions that differ from yours, it makes me feel even better for saying what I said, exactly how I said it. you act as if I came here saying things like "that damn n**ger Osama Obama whatever-his-name-is ain't got no right being our president with a name like that" and all the other backwoods, disgusting shit I've heard from others who have actually said it! my concerns are valid, whether you agree with them or not. why don't every one of you get together and SUE ME for coming to a place that is supposed to encourage freedom of opinion and speech and doing just that. it's easy to gang up on someone like me when you know most everyone else around you has the opposite mindset to make me feel like I'm wrong for thinking the nation has made a poor decision. I've stated why I think so, and I'm sticking to it. and if I end up being wrong, then awesome. but if I'm right, don't start crying when you realize how fucked America's hardest workers about to be in the next couple of years. enjoy your handout, loser.0 -
goo wrote:I'll say what I want. and if you're one of the many easily offended pussies on this board that doesn't it like it when people voice their opinions that differ from yours, it makes me feel even better for saying what I said, exactly how I said it. you act as if I came here saying things like "that damn n**ger Osama Obama whatever-his-name-is ain't got no right being our president with a name like that" and all the other backwoods, disgusting shit I've heard from others who have actually said it! my concerns are valid, whether you agree with them or not. why don't every one of you get together and SUE ME for coming to a place that is supposed to encourage freedom of opinion and speech and doing just that. it's easy to gang up on someone like me when you know most everyone else around you has the opposite mindset to make me feel like I'm wrong for thinking the nation has made a poor decision. I've stated why I think so, and I'm sticking to it. and if I end up being wrong, then awesome. but if I'm right, don't start crying when you realize how fucked America's hardest workers about to be in the next couple of years. enjoy your handout, loser.
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I am only going to respond to this one point as others have on the rest.slightofjeff wrote:I am worried Obama's extreme environmental policies are going to cause my gas and electric bills to skyrocket. Again, even if he doesn't raise my taxes ... well, this has the same net effect.
Do you not want to leave your children a better place to live in? During the Bush administration the environmental policies took a giant step backward. The way to do this is to speed up development of clean energies while protecting what if left of species and habitats. So much can be done, but it takes someone who cares about the issues to make it happen. For example, just look at the popularity of alternative cars since the gas prices soared. This could and should have been done decades ago, but it wasn't a priority. It doesn't need to be costly, in fact there is a huge market there that just needs to be tapped and with some incentives, I believe it will. "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."0 -
It's nothing to do with freedom of speech and opinion, you're entitled to those, I agree. It's to do with your misinformed and ignorant crap that you're passing off as fact. It's harmful and unwanted. As you were shown by several people in the other thread, your main attack on the integrity of Obama was proven to be a load of fabricated rubbish. Think of something worth saying and people will listen. It can be as offensive as you want, I'm not an "easily offended pussy", I encourage intelligent discourse from any side of an argument. I've just not seen a single shred of that from you.goo wrote:I'll say what I want. and if you're one of the many easily offended pussies on this board that doesn't it like it when people voice their opinions that differ from yours, it makes me feel even better for saying what I said, exactly how I said it. you act as if I came here saying things like "that damn n**ger Osama Obama whatever-his-name-is ain't got no right being our president with a name like that" and all the other backwoods, disgusting shit I've heard from others who have actually said it! my concerns are valid, whether you agree with them or not. why don't every one of you get together and SUE ME for coming to a place that is supposed to encourage freedom of opinion and speech and doing just that. it's easy to gang up on someone like me when you know most everyone else around you has the opposite mindset to make me feel like I'm wrong for thinking the nation has made a poor decision. I've stated why I think so, and I'm sticking to it. and if I end up being wrong, then awesome. but if I'm right, don't start crying when you realize how fucked America's hardest workers about to be in the next couple of years. enjoy your handout, loser.
As for your assertion that I'm treating you like some raving racist, I never said that you were equating him to Osama, that's obviously on your mind though. I merely noted that he is not a muslim and that he did not get sworn in with his hand on a Koran, although even if he had I don't see why that would be a reason why he shouldn't be president, the United States being as it is a country comprised of many ethnic backgrounds since its inception. To treat any one person born on American soil like a foreigner because their father was a NON-PRACTISING muslim is to spit in the face of America as a concept.
Ps, I'm sorry to the OP for derailing the thread."I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"0 -
slightofjeff wrote:
I hope you Obama motherfuckers are right. From the bottom of my heart, I hope that.
I want him to succeed. I need him to succeed.
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slightofjeff wrote:I recall reading a story in the days after the 2004 election about Vincent D'Onofrio, the "Law and Order" guy, and how he was so depressed about Bush's re-election that he couldn't even go into work for a month.
I thought, at the time, that was kind of an overemotional imbecile. I woke up this morning, however, kind of sympathizing with him -- and with the rest of you who figured four more years of Bush meant the end of the world as we knew it.
I'm not feeling quite as melodramatic as Vince was back in '04. Perhaps, since there's been a feel of inevitability about an Obama win for at least the past month, I'd grown used to the idea. It wasn't like I was blindsided.
However, I can say that, after this election of "hope" and "change:" The only thing that has changed is an increase in my hopelessness. As the father of a 2-month-old, I worry about what her world will be like for the next four (or eight) years.
I am worried Obama's tax plans are going to cost my family money, if not directly (and simply allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will cost me $4,000. without Obama lifting a finger) then indirectly. Even if he only overtaxes The Rich ... well, The Rich are the people who pay my salary and sell me groceries ... so, it still affects my pocketbook.
I am worried Obama's extreme environmental policies are going to cause my gas and electric bills to skyrocket. Again, even if he doesn't raise my taxes ... well, this has the same net effect.
I am worried Obama's I'm-okay, you're-okay foreign policy will take us back to a time when it was easy to terrorize on American soil. Say what you want about Bush -- and you have plenty of legitimate fodder -- the one thing he was good at, since 9/11, was keeping shit from blowing up on this side of the pond.
But, now, after all that, I get to my point. The incendiary nature of this thread title aside, I really mean it:
I hope you Obama motherfuckers are right. From the bottom of my heart, I hope that.
Unlike some folks, I don't think of politics as game, where my team needs to beat your team. Obama won the election. If he sucks, we're all losers. If he succeeds, we're all winners.
I want him to succeed. I need him to succeed.
So, I hope I am wrong about everything I believe. I hope the worldview under which I've existed for my entire life is shattered.
It's an odd feeling: I hope, sincerely, that everything I know is wrong. And that all you other motherfuckers are right.
Today, it's the only thing keeping me from pulling a D'Onofrio.
Would you have felt better about your future if McCain was elected yesterday? Seriously just asking?I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!0 -
slightofjeff wrote:I recall reading a story in the days after the 2004 election about Vincent D'Onofrio, the "Law and Order" guy, and how he was so depressed about Bush's re-election that he couldn't even go into work for a month.
I thought, at the time, that was kind of an overemotional imbecile. I woke up this morning, however, kind of sympathizing with him -- and with the rest of you who figured four more years of Bush meant the end of the world as we knew it.
I'm not feeling quite as melodramatic as Vince was back in '04. Perhaps, since there's been a feel of inevitability about an Obama win for at least the past month, I'd grown used to the idea. It wasn't like I was blindsided.
However, I can say that, after this election of "hope" and "change:" The only thing that has changed is an increase in my hopelessness. As the father of a 2-month-old, I worry about what her world will be like for the next four (or eight) years.
I am worried Obama's tax plans are going to cost my family money, if not directly (and simply allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will cost me $4,000. without Obama lifting a finger) then indirectly. Even if he only overtaxes The Rich ... well, The Rich are the people who pay my salary and sell me groceries ... so, it still affects my pocketbook.
I am worried Obama's extreme environmental policies are going to cause my gas and electric bills to skyrocket. Again, even if he doesn't raise my taxes ... well, this has the same net effect.
I am worried Obama's I'm-okay, you're-okay foreign policy will take us back to a time when it was easy to terrorize on American soil. Say what you want about Bush -- and you have plenty of legitimate fodder -- the one thing he was good at, since 9/11, was keeping shit from blowing up on this side of the pond.
But, now, after all that, I get to my point. The incendiary nature of this thread title aside, I really mean it:
I hope you Obama motherfuckers are right. From the bottom of my heart, I hope that.
Unlike some folks, I don't think of politics as game, where my team needs to beat your team. Obama won the election. If he sucks, we're all losers. If he succeeds, we're all winners.
I want him to succeed. I need him to succeed.
So, I hope I am wrong about everything I believe. I hope the worldview under which I've existed for my entire life is shattered.
It's an odd feeling: I hope, sincerely, that everything I know is wrong. And that all you other motherfuckers are right.
Today, it's the only thing keeping me from pulling a D'Onofrio.
You are right we at the end will all be winner or will all be losers and I too hope that you are wrong, I'm hopeful and for the sake or your family, my family and everyone elses family and for the sake of our country I hope every single American supporter or not holds President elect Obama to what he has promised.
That was a great post (I dont fear all you fear, but I can understand how you feel) "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV0 -
goo wrote:it's dangerous business stepping into such a liberal place like a Pearl Jam board and saying anyting that might rattle its many sheep. look at what my thread has done, though it is different from yours. God knows people will reply with "you're a moron" and nothing else. I'm with you on this! I hope I can say I was wrong one day. but it looks pretty dim that I will, when we've had plenty of warning from the horse's mouth what's to come if he's elected. when he does something to prove me wrong, I will shut up. but good for you for being one of the very few who get on here to post your views that, God forbid, differ from the majority.
Your thread and slightofjeff's thread are nothing like each other, please don't get confused."Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV0 -
goo wrote:I'll say what I want. and if you're one of the many easily offended pussies on this board that doesn't it like it when people voice their opinions that differ from yours, it makes me feel even better for saying what I said, exactly how I said it. you act as if I came here saying things like "that damn n**ger Osama Obama whatever-his-name-is ain't got no right being our president with a name like that" and all the other backwoods, disgusting shit I've heard from others who have actually said it! my concerns are valid, whether you agree with them or not. why don't every one of you get together and SUE ME for coming to a place that is supposed to encourage freedom of opinion and speech and doing just that. it's easy to gang up on someone like me when you know most everyone else around you has the opposite mindset to make me feel like I'm wrong for thinking the nation has made a poor decision. I've stated why I think so, and I'm sticking to it. and if I end up being wrong, then awesome. but if I'm right, don't start crying when you realize how fucked America's hardest workers about to be in the next couple of years. enjoy your handout, loser.
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Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:Your thread and slightofjeff's thread are nothing like each other, please don't get confused.
can't you read? I acknowledged that my post was DIFFERENT from his.0 -
goo wrote:can't you read? I acknowledged that my post was DIFFERENT from his.
no I meant in the way that he has valid and well thought points and you have bone headed arguments and lies to offer on your thread... again please don't get confused..."Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV0
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