Down the middle?

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Maybe you didn't pay attention when I said who I supported and in what order. It was truthful regardless of your interpretation.

    Obama @ Aipac rallies smiles and handshakes, present and giving pro Zionist speeches. That's enough for me. Should be for you as well if you understand how things really work.

    If you don't know what I know, you can't effectively criticize me. Knowledge is power.

    You can try though.

    I suggest you take a good strong look at Obama and Aipac and get back to me.

    It should take you a few days of research.

    edit: and you should drop the being Canadian, tinfoil hat thing, it only makes your arguments essentially useless, and as though like you're some kind of jlew wannabe/follower, and that's pretty sad. Herd mentality....try some originality.

    thanks for bringing up aipac...and was really concerned....did read his speach to them on may 2007.....he'd like jewish support in the us...and that's clear. What other info do you have that concerns you? I still give Obama the benefit of the doubt....for now anyway...
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I've only posted 4 links on this site already.

    :rolleyes:

    and which one says NATO and/or the US will use nukes?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and which one says NATO and/or the US will use nukes?

    Post #17...the memory issue thing....ouch..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Ok let me ask you this? Are you getting an overwhelmingly strong peace vibe from the examples I listed?

    I sure as hell am not seeing it. Something doesn't jive with what he says and how he supposedly "feels" about Peace.

    It isn't adding up.

    The feeling I get from Obama is that he is damn near a pacifist who has to talk tough so that he doesn't scare the holy shit out of the large segment of Americans whose chief concern is national security.

    Remember, the first big "gaffe" he made this campaign was saying he'd TALK to the Iranians. Not bomb them.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    slightofjeff wrote:
    The feeling I get from Obama is that he is damn near a pacifist who has to talk tough so that he doesn't scare the holy shit out of the large segment of Americans whose chief concern is national security.

    Remember, the first big "gaffe" he made this campaign was saying he'd TALK to the Iranians. Not bomb them.


    That's a sad state of affairs. God help you guys...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    prism wrote:
    i know that you are not telling the full on story because you took that out of context and that speech is not pro-zionist. also from that speech:

    We can and we should help Israelis and Palestinians both fulfill their national goals: two states living side by side in peace and security. Both the Israeli and Palestinian people have suffered from the failure to achieve this goal. The United States should leave no stone unturned in working to make that goal a reality.


    how is working towards a two state solution pro-zionist?

    funny...I cut and almost pasted same quote......feel Obama's less inclined to use force than other top candidates.....course I could be wrong
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Remember, the first big "gaffe" he made this campaign was saying he'd TALK to the Iranians. Not bomb them.


    That's a good thing though, right?
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Commy wrote:
    That's a good thing though, right?

    Not sure what I think about it, to be honest. But I did put the word "gaffe" in quotes, because I realize how many people wouldn't see it as such.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Not sure what I think about it, to be honest. But I did put the word "gaffe" in quotes, because I realize how many people wouldn't see it as such.
    simple question though man. Better to talk about conflicts then fight over them , dont' you think?
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Commy wrote:
    simple question though man. Better to talk about conflicts then fight over them , dont' you think?

    Philosophically speaking, yes.
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    for the least they could possibly do
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Philosophically speaking, yes.
    Right. And in regards to the Israeli occupation of Palestine it should still hold true.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    You cant talk bad about Israel....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOgQNZ6cg2s

    .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That's a sad state of affairs. God help you guys...

    God help you, you cynical fuck... seriously.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MasterFramer wrote:
    God help you, you cynical fuck... seriously.


    Thanks for your offer of kindness, but my country isn't tits deep in blow back looking at carrying on deeper into it.

    You have to break the cycle. Be very critical of those who seek to lead you

    That's all.

    p.s. fuck you too then eh? ;)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    I'm pretty down the middle.. lately I've been leaning liberal liberatarian. I'm never extreme because I believe there is no real definite "right" answer.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Thanks for your offer of kindness, but my country isn't tits deep in blow back looking at carrying on deeper into it.

    You have to break the cycle. Be very critical of those who seek to lead you

    That's all.

    p.s. fuck you too then eh? ;)

    And what country would that be?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MasterFramer wrote:
    And what country would that be?

    The great Jihadic continent of Satan to the North.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    And what country would that be?
    roland is a canadian with a wet dream of becoming an american. he seems to think we are allowing canadians to vote this year :confused:
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    tkepearljamn wrote:
    Anyone else here fairly down the middle? I have followed the caucuses closely for both parties. I would be happy with candidates from both sides as the United States leader. Is that right or wrong to do? I'm 24. I have many friends that are going down the same avenue that I am with this. Im trying to figure out if it is just me or other people too.

    Also:

    Does it scare you that the Nomination for either party is going to have a VP that is the #2 or #3 for its' party? Like 2 people that don't like one another? i.e. Obama/Clinton or vice versa and a McCain/Romney or vice-versa?

    I wish I were down the middle. I'm way out to the left on some issues and way out to the right on others. Generally, I'm to the right on the issues that are most important to me, though.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    roland is a canadian with a wet dream of becoming an american. he seems to think we are allowing canadians to vote this year :confused:


    lol...you such a stooge. I study your circus politics to try and understand why and how a chimplike shrub with an IQ of 3 of a can become elected and wage wars, and what kind of situation allows that. It's a science experiment. I would never move their anytime soon, seriously bud....don't kid yourself.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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