he does not say that israel's sercurity is the main priority above all else. those are YOUR words.
what Obama said does not imply that he favors using military force or dropping nukes on Iran. you might just want to read his words that were already posted in post #25
also when Obama said that in regards to Iran that "all options are on the table" he did not say "all military options are on the table" once again those are YOUR words. your twisting around the things that candidates actually say to suit your agenda just makes YOU look like a tool...a very dull tool at that.
"That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. "That will always be my starting point."
Seriously something is in the water down there affecting how you guys think..
It's bad...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
What do you mean by "anti-war" candidate? Why would anybody vote for a candidate who came out and said he was against war under any circumstances?
And the point of having nuclear weapons is that you DON'T have to use them. They kind of lose their scariness when you have a leader saying, "Yeah we have them. But don't worry. We'll never use them ever."
Ok let me ask you this? Are you getting an overwhelmingly strong peace vibe from the examples I listed?
I sure as hell am not seeing it. Something doesn't jive with what he says and how he supposedly "feels" about Peace.
It isn't adding up.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. "That will always be my starting point."
Seriously something is in the water down there affecting how you guys think..
It's bad...
so you interpret those words into meaning " I am a pro -Zionist and will support death of all arabs in the region and in a matter of months will be dropping nuclear warheads in every major city in Iran"
You guys have serious memory problems. Seriously...turn of the TV, it's rotting your heads.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
so you interpret those words into meaning " I am a pro -Zionist and will support death of all arabs in the region and in a matter of months will be dropping nuclear warheads in every major city in Iran"
Post #27...post #28...
read...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
when are you going to get it. saying all options on the table doesnt = We will nuke you
It sure as hell doesn't mean it doesn't now does it?
If you claim the rules before a fight are anything goes...expect dirty fighting.
There have been grumblings and now NATO is saying it IS a viable option.
So yeah...there it is.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Maybe you didn't pay attention when I said who I supported and in what order. It was truthful regardless of your interpretation.
Obama @ Aipac rallies smiles and handshakes, present and giving pro Zionist speeches. That's enough for me. Should be for you as well if you understand how things really work.
If you don't know what I know, you can't effectively criticize me. Knowledge is power.
You can try though.
I suggest you take a good strong look at Obama and Aipac and get back to me.
It should take you a few days of research.
edit: and you should drop the being Canadian, tinfoil hat thing, it only makes your arguments essentially useless, and as though like you're some kind of jlew wannabe/follower, and that's pretty sad. Herd mentality....try some originality.
thanks for bringing up aipac...and was really concerned....did read his speach to them on may 2007.....he'd like jewish support in the us...and that's clear. What other info do you have that concerns you? I still give Obama the benefit of the doubt....for now anyway...
and which one says NATO and/or the US will use nukes?
Post #17...the memory issue thing....ouch..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Ok let me ask you this? Are you getting an overwhelmingly strong peace vibe from the examples I listed?
I sure as hell am not seeing it. Something doesn't jive with what he says and how he supposedly "feels" about Peace.
It isn't adding up.
The feeling I get from Obama is that he is damn near a pacifist who has to talk tough so that he doesn't scare the holy shit out of the large segment of Americans whose chief concern is national security.
Remember, the first big "gaffe" he made this campaign was saying he'd TALK to the Iranians. Not bomb them.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
The feeling I get from Obama is that he is damn near a pacifist who has to talk tough so that he doesn't scare the holy shit out of the large segment of Americans whose chief concern is national security.
Remember, the first big "gaffe" he made this campaign was saying he'd TALK to the Iranians. Not bomb them.
That's a sad state of affairs. God help you guys...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i know that you are not telling the full on story because you took that out of context and that speech is not pro-zionist. also from that speech:
We can and we should help Israelis and Palestinians both fulfill their national goals: two states living side by side in peace and security. Both the Israeli and Palestinian people have suffered from the failure to achieve this goal. The United States should leave no stone unturned in working to make that goal a reality.
how is working towards a two state solution pro-zionist?
funny...I cut and almost pasted same quote......feel Obama's less inclined to use force than other top candidates.....course I could be wrong
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Thanks for your offer of kindness, but my country isn't tits deep in blow back looking at carrying on deeper into it.
You have to break the cycle. Be very critical of those who seek to lead you
That's all.
p.s. fuck you too then eh?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm pretty down the middle.. lately I've been leaning liberal liberatarian. I'm never extreme because I believe there is no real definite "right" answer.
The great Jihadic continent of Satan to the North.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Anyone else here fairly down the middle? I have followed the caucuses closely for both parties. I would be happy with candidates from both sides as the United States leader. Is that right or wrong to do? I'm 24. I have many friends that are going down the same avenue that I am with this. Im trying to figure out if it is just me or other people too.
Also:
Does it scare you that the Nomination for either party is going to have a VP that is the #2 or #3 for its' party? Like 2 people that don't like one another? i.e. Obama/Clinton or vice versa and a McCain/Romney or vice-versa?
I wish I were down the middle. I'm way out to the left on some issues and way out to the right on others. Generally, I'm to the right on the issues that are most important to me, though.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
roland is a canadian with a wet dream of becoming an american. he seems to think we are allowing canadians to vote this year
lol...you such a stooge. I study your circus politics to try and understand why and how a chimplike shrub with an IQ of 3 of a can become elected and wage wars, and what kind of situation allows that. It's a science experiment. I would never move their anytime soon, seriously bud....don't kid yourself.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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"That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. "That will always be my starting point."
The most certainly are not my own words!
I swear you guys have zero memory retention.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-13-bush-iran-nuclear_x.htm
Catch phrases. He's echoing Bush.
Seriously something is in the water down there affecting how you guys think..
It's bad...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Ok let me ask you this? Are you getting an overwhelmingly strong peace vibe from the examples I listed?
I sure as hell am not seeing it. Something doesn't jive with what he says and how he supposedly "feels" about Peace.
It isn't adding up.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
so you interpret those words into meaning " I am a pro -Zionist and will support death of all arabs in the region and in a matter of months will be dropping nuclear warheads in every major city in Iran"
you are making up a "vibe" in your head.
Oh yeah right...
8/13/2005 "all options are on the table"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-13-bush-iran-nuclear_x.htm
You guys have serious memory problems. Seriously...turn of the TV, it's rotting your heads.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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when are you going to get it. saying all options on the table doesnt = We will nuke you
Post #27...post #28...
read...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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It sure as hell doesn't mean it doesn't now does it?
If you claim the rules before a fight are anything goes...expect dirty fighting.
There have been grumblings and now NATO is saying it IS a viable option.
So yeah...there it is.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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source? or did a little birdie tell you.
I've only posted 4 links on this site already.
:rolleyes:
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
thanks for bringing up aipac...and was really concerned....did read his speach to them on may 2007.....he'd like jewish support in the us...and that's clear. What other info do you have that concerns you? I still give Obama the benefit of the doubt....for now anyway...
and which one says NATO and/or the US will use nukes?
Post #17...the memory issue thing....ouch..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
The feeling I get from Obama is that he is damn near a pacifist who has to talk tough so that he doesn't scare the holy shit out of the large segment of Americans whose chief concern is national security.
Remember, the first big "gaffe" he made this campaign was saying he'd TALK to the Iranians. Not bomb them.
for the least they could possibly do
That's a sad state of affairs. God help you guys...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
funny...I cut and almost pasted same quote......feel Obama's less inclined to use force than other top candidates.....course I could be wrong
That's a good thing though, right?
Not sure what I think about it, to be honest. But I did put the word "gaffe" in quotes, because I realize how many people wouldn't see it as such.
for the least they could possibly do
Philosophically speaking, yes.
for the least they could possibly do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOgQNZ6cg2s
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
God help you, you cynical fuck... seriously.
Thanks for your offer of kindness, but my country isn't tits deep in blow back looking at carrying on deeper into it.
You have to break the cycle. Be very critical of those who seek to lead you
That's all.
p.s. fuck you too then eh?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
And what country would that be?
The great Jihadic continent of Satan to the North.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I wish I were down the middle. I'm way out to the left on some issues and way out to the right on others. Generally, I'm to the right on the issues that are most important to me, though.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
lol...you such a stooge. I study your circus politics to try and understand why and how a chimplike shrub with an IQ of 3 of a can become elected and wage wars, and what kind of situation allows that. It's a science experiment. I would never move their anytime soon, seriously bud....don't kid yourself.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")