john roberts calls on U2 for a benefit concert for federal judges

miller8966 wrote:

Most people in other occupations dont make the laws for millions of people.

Neither do federal judges. That would be the legislative branch of government.

miller8966 wrote:

Cops do fine depending on where they are located.

As for firemen most of them sit on their ass all day which is why most FD are volunteer......unless their in nyc

Tell that to a NYC police officer where the starting pay is about $35,000 a year. My brother-in-law graduated the academy 5 years ago, starting pay for a Newark police officer was $33,000 a year. $33,000 a year to work nights in the most crime infested neighborhood in Newark. My first job out of college I was making more than that to sit on my ass in front of a computer. And let's not even bring up education because to be a Newark police officer you either need an associates degree with accompanying military experience or a bachelors degree. Yes their are areas where you can earn a lot more, not at a starting salary their cap is just higher, but getting hired in those areas is nearly impossible. I know a few NYPD officers who have been waiting for years to get into Sussex County police force or the Port Authority police force. As far as firefighters every major city and reasonably sized town has a full-time fire department, every town in my area has a full-time department maybe out in the sticks it's volunteer, and while they may spend time sitting on their asses as you state they are the one's running into a burning building for a living.

cornnifer wrote:

This is a fairly common argument, but, to me it doesn't hold much water. If everyone became federal court judges, lawyers, doctors, etc., then who would dig our ditches, who would build our homes, who would grow our food?
You see it is the people who bust their backs building the country and keeping it running, that make the least money. It is the HARD working poor that keep this country running. If everyone opted out of those trades and occupations for high profile, low labor, grotesquely paid professions, who would keep the country going?


BTW, what does U2 have to do with any of this?

"If everyone became federal court judges"...but they don't. They don't either have the ability, drive or desire.

In this day and age it's a fairly straight forward process to figure out the lifestyle you want, the money required for said lifestyle then to look for an area of study that will provide you with the job to support the lifestyle you want.

Everyone keeps this country running. No one is more important int the process than anyone else. Some jobs are more prestigious and some pay more. I'd say about 99.5% of the people I know have the income and lifestyle they desire based on the work they want to do and the effort they'll put in at the job and into achieving the job. The .5% who aren't where they should be is due to making a career choice they are not suited for and can never excel at regardless of their work ethic.

The people I hear bitch about their circumstances are the ones who make the most excuses for why their not doing what they should to achieve what they want.

miller8966 wrote:

Actually its less....i believe its at 28 now. But anyway it depends on the area.

Starting pay in tenafly is alot different than starting pay in NYC, and also the topping out is different ( tenafly can top out at 125).

But more thinking is involved with being a federal judge than being a cop...hence they hould make more.

I never stated that a judge shouldn't make more than a cop. That's not my arguement at all. I simply stated that if any civil servant deserves any type of salary hike it should be the cops, fire fighters, and soldier before the judges.