These are lifetime appointments because they cannot be removed from the bench (unless impeached) and do not have to face "reelection" every few years, which keeps them "independent".
But they are free to leave office whenever they want. And I'm sure that ex-federal judge looks great in a resume. I'm sure that they'd be very valuable in private law firms because of the connections that they've made. I don't see how serving as a judge is a sacrifice. I think it would be a great job.
I'm quite aware of how the judiciary appointments and commitments work. See corporatewhore's post on the next page, he gets across my point of continuity much clearer than I.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
I hope you aren't insinuating that troops, police, and fire fighters can be compared to federal judges. If so, that's just a horrible argument.
How is that a horrible arguement. Are all four not public servants. Don't all four serve a necessity in our country. I'm not saying that starting salary for a fire fighter should be equavalent to that of a federal judge but if we are going to start raising salaries of our public servants we should start with the three that I stated and not a judge who is bringing home a comfy salary.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
It should also matter to you that you are getting the cream of the crop. I acknowledge the fact that people working for the public almost always take a bit of a pay hit compared to working in the private sector. How big a hit in salary do you think a person should be expected to take while it not affecting who applies for the position and turnover?
Police and fireman don't really make more in the private sector. Judges do. Roberts brings upa a good point about judge independance and how pay affects that idea.
I understand that other avenues pay significantly more for a federal judge. My point is that if salaries are going to be evaluated we should also take a look at the salaries of our other public servants such as police officers, fire fighters, and troops. While the difference in pay between a federal judge and the dean at a law school is significant a federal judge is already making a comfortable salary. Your average police officer starts out at about $35,000 a year. That's the same for fire fighters and I believe our troops make even less than that. Now I don't think that their starting salaries should be $162,000 a year but they definetly need the pay raise more than someone making over $100,000 a year.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
If you want the brightest and best lawyers to be the highest judge, then you will have to pay them at least that much.
I guarantee you they could be making more money in private practice. Many of the law clerks for Supreme Court justicies are hired away by private firms and make more than their former boss.
How is that a horrible arguement. Are all four not public servants. Don't all four serve a necessity in our country. I'm not saying that starting salary for a fire fighter should be equavalent to that of a federal judge but if we are going to start raising salaries of our public servants we should start with the three that I stated and not a judge who is bringing home a comfy salary.
Federal judges are more educated than firemen and police officers. I honestly think they should make around 300,000.
Stress levels? Are you serious?! It's the greatest gig in the world! They are like gods in their courtrooms ... what they say goes, period, end of story. The entire legal community kisses their asses. They have lifetime appointments, so they don't have to worry about pissing off the boss (they don't have one), getting relocated, their employer going out of business, losing clients, or much of anything else. As long as they don't commit any major felonies, the job is theirs for as long as they want it. They have virtually no work-related expenses. Federal judges have it made, and what they're being paid is plenty.
You have to be on drugs or something, to think that their is no stress with being a federal judge.
Federal judges are more educated than firemen and police officers. I honestly think they should make around 300,000.
I'm not comparing their level of education nor do I believe that they should make the same, but if any public servant need a salary raise it is the three I mentioned, not a federal judge.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'm not comparing their level of education nor do I believe that they should make the same, but if any public servant need a salary raise it is the three I mentioned, not a federal judge.
Cops do fine depending on where they are located.
As for firemen most of them sit on their ass all day which is why most FD are volunteer......unless their in nyc
As for firemen most of them sit on their ass all day which is why most FD are volunteer......unless their in nyc
Tell that to a NYC police officer where the starting pay is about $35,000 a year. My brother-in-law graduated the academy 5 years ago, starting pay for a Newark police officer was $33,000 a year. $33,000 a year to work nights in the most crime infested neighborhood in Newark. My first job out of college I was making more than that to sit on my ass in front of a computer. And let's not even bring up education because to be a Newark police officer you either need an associates degree with accompanying military experience or a bachelors degree. Yes their are areas where you can earn a lot more, not at a starting salary their cap is just higher, but getting hired in those areas is nearly impossible. I know a few NYPD officers who have been waiting for years to get into Sussex County police force or the Port Authority police force. As far as firefighters every major city and reasonably sized town has a full-time fire department, every town in my area has a full-time department maybe out in the sticks it's volunteer, and while they may spend time sitting on their asses as you state they are the one's running into a burning building for a living.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Why do people complain about what others make? It's a free world. If you want to make what a federal judge makes then become one. If you're happy making what a ditch digger makes then become one. Why complain when someone wants more money for doing their job? We all want more money for doing our jobs. Why single out one person or profession?
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This is a fairly common argument, but, to me it doesn't hold much water. If everyone became federal court judges, lawyers, doctors, etc., then who would dig our ditches, who would build our homes, who would grow our food?
You see it is the people who bust their backs building the country and keeping it running, that make the least money. It is the HARD working poor that keep this country running. If everyone opted out of those trades and occupations for high profile, low labor, grotesquely paid professions, who would keep the country going?
BTW, what does U2 have to do with any of this?
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
This is a fairly common argument, but, to me it doesn't hold much water. If everyone became federal court judges, lawyers, doctors, etc., then who would dig our ditches, who would build our homes, who would grow our food?
You see it is the people who bust their backs building the country and keeping it running, that make the least money. It is the HARD working poor that keep this country running. If everyone opted out of those trades and occupations for high profile, low labor, grotesquely paid professions, who would keep the country going?
BTW, what does U2 have to do with any of this?
"If everyone became federal court judges"...but they don't. They don't either have the ability, drive or desire.
In this day and age it's a fairly straight forward process to figure out the lifestyle you want, the money required for said lifestyle then to look for an area of study that will provide you with the job to support the lifestyle you want.
Everyone keeps this country running. No one is more important int the process than anyone else. Some jobs are more prestigious and some pay more. I'd say about 99.5% of the people I know have the income and lifestyle they desire based on the work they want to do and the effort they'll put in at the job and into achieving the job. The .5% who aren't where they should be is due to making a career choice they are not suited for and can never excel at regardless of their work ethic.
The people I hear bitch about their circumstances are the ones who make the most excuses for why their not doing what they should to achieve what they want.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Actually its less....i believe its at 28 now. But anyway it depends on the area.
Starting pay in tenafly is alot different than starting pay in NYC, and also the topping out is different ( tenafly can top out at 125).
But more thinking is involved with being a federal judge than being a cop...hence they hould make more.
I never stated that a judge shouldn't make more than a cop. That's not my arguement at all. I simply stated that if any civil servant deserves any type of salary hike it should be the cops, fire fighters, and soldier before the judges.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
u2 does regular charitable concerts for good causes
when jon roberts, a man probably more wealthy than all of us on this board bitches for the sake of other extremely wealthy people or wal mart complains of unfair business practices (ie itunes and movies) when they have conspired to control world markets
I sort of wink and say
oh, those poor millionares and billionares better get U2 to do a benefit concert for them...
okay I didn't say it was a funny joke.
But people, we gotta stay focused here. I never said that federal Judges weren't worth the money they are paid. But I think it's yet another example of the hirearchy in this country
the rich get speak for the rich and the poor have no voice.
I thought they were working for us.
also, I could be wrong, but I think in four pages of this thread, the word "teacher" has not yet been mentioned
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I'm quite aware of how the judiciary appointments and commitments work. See corporatewhore's post on the next page, he gets across my point of continuity much clearer than I.
How is that a horrible arguement. Are all four not public servants. Don't all four serve a necessity in our country. I'm not saying that starting salary for a fire fighter should be equavalent to that of a federal judge but if we are going to start raising salaries of our public servants we should start with the three that I stated and not a judge who is bringing home a comfy salary.
I understand that other avenues pay significantly more for a federal judge. My point is that if salaries are going to be evaluated we should also take a look at the salaries of our other public servants such as police officers, fire fighters, and troops. While the difference in pay between a federal judge and the dean at a law school is significant a federal judge is already making a comfortable salary. Your average police officer starts out at about $35,000 a year. That's the same for fire fighters and I believe our troops make even less than that. Now I don't think that their starting salaries should be $162,000 a year but they definetly need the pay raise more than someone making over $100,000 a year.
Professional athletes are so grossly over paid that it's ridiculous.
I guarantee you they could be making more money in private practice. Many of the law clerks for Supreme Court justicies are hired away by private firms and make more than their former boss.
Federal judges are more educated than firemen and police officers. I honestly think they should make around 300,000.
You have to be on drugs or something, to think that their is no stress with being a federal judge.
I'm not comparing their level of education nor do I believe that they should make the same, but if any public servant need a salary raise it is the three I mentioned, not a federal judge.
Most people in other occupations dont make the laws for millions of people.
Cops do fine depending on where they are located.
As for firemen most of them sit on their ass all day which is why most FD are volunteer......unless their in nyc
bullshit.
Tell that to a NYC police officer where the starting pay is about $35,000 a year. My brother-in-law graduated the academy 5 years ago, starting pay for a Newark police officer was $33,000 a year. $33,000 a year to work nights in the most crime infested neighborhood in Newark. My first job out of college I was making more than that to sit on my ass in front of a computer. And let's not even bring up education because to be a Newark police officer you either need an associates degree with accompanying military experience or a bachelors degree. Yes their are areas where you can earn a lot more, not at a starting salary their cap is just higher, but getting hired in those areas is nearly impossible. I know a few NYPD officers who have been waiting for years to get into Sussex County police force or the Port Authority police force. As far as firefighters every major city and reasonably sized town has a full-time fire department, every town in my area has a full-time department maybe out in the sticks it's volunteer, and while they may spend time sitting on their asses as you state they are the one's running into a burning building for a living.
This is a fairly common argument, but, to me it doesn't hold much water. If everyone became federal court judges, lawyers, doctors, etc., then who would dig our ditches, who would build our homes, who would grow our food?
You see it is the people who bust their backs building the country and keeping it running, that make the least money. It is the HARD working poor that keep this country running. If everyone opted out of those trades and occupations for high profile, low labor, grotesquely paid professions, who would keep the country going?
BTW, what does U2 have to do with any of this?
In this day and age it's a fairly straight forward process to figure out the lifestyle you want, the money required for said lifestyle then to look for an area of study that will provide you with the job to support the lifestyle you want.
Everyone keeps this country running. No one is more important int the process than anyone else. Some jobs are more prestigious and some pay more. I'd say about 99.5% of the people I know have the income and lifestyle they desire based on the work they want to do and the effort they'll put in at the job and into achieving the job. The .5% who aren't where they should be is due to making a career choice they are not suited for and can never excel at regardless of their work ethic.
The people I hear bitch about their circumstances are the ones who make the most excuses for why their not doing what they should to achieve what they want.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Actually its less....i believe its at 28 now. But anyway it depends on the area.
Starting pay in tenafly is alot different than starting pay in NYC, and also the topping out is different ( tenafly can top out at 125).
But more thinking is involved with being a federal judge than being a cop...hence they hould make more.
I never stated that a judge shouldn't make more than a cop. That's not my arguement at all. I simply stated that if any civil servant deserves any type of salary hike it should be the cops, fire fighters, and soldier before the judges.
It's an inside joke
u2 does regular charitable concerts for good causes
when jon roberts, a man probably more wealthy than all of us on this board bitches for the sake of other extremely wealthy people or wal mart complains of unfair business practices (ie itunes and movies) when they have conspired to control world markets
I sort of wink and say
oh, those poor millionares and billionares better get U2 to do a benefit concert for them...
okay I didn't say it was a funny joke.
But people, we gotta stay focused here. I never said that federal Judges weren't worth the money they are paid. But I think it's yet another example of the hirearchy in this country
the rich get speak for the rich and the poor have no voice.
I thought they were working for us.
also, I could be wrong, but I think in four pages of this thread, the word "teacher" has not yet been mentioned
truly a new american century.