High Thoughts and Law abiding assholes.

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    soulsinging wrote:
    i can be a cold-blooded son of a bitch when it suits me.
    You're gonna make such a great lawyer!
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    is this a thread about morals; social or economic stress; what makes people do what they do or what? i will kill to protect my loved ones. and i may kill to protect my country's borders. i'm not sure. i would have never thought about killing until i was held at gunpoint. that's an event that changes a person forever. and also an event you can't understand unless it happened to you. being shot at is nothing like having a gun held to your head where the slightest twitch means your life.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    i would have never thought about killing until i was held at gunpoint. that's an event that changes a person forever. and also an event you can't understand unless it happened to you. being shot at is nothing like having a gun held to your head where the slightest twitch means your life.

    Wrong place, wrong time?
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    hippiemom wrote:
    You're gonna make such a great lawyer!

    hehe, yeah, being an amoral drunk for years was great preparation ;) now im just amoral and really looking forward to being rich :)
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    Wrong place, wrong time?

    it happened on my own property just feet from my front door. how can a man's home ever be the wrong place?
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    it happened on my own property just feet from my front door. how can a man's home ever be the wrong place?

    It was a question.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    It was a question.

    sorry. it did answer the question; didn't i?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    is the gist of this thread that no one can be a true law abiding citizen because of all the stupid laws on the books?
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    It's impossible to wrap your brain around "diarrhea of the mouth".

    actually, i got the response i needed from this thread.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    macgyver06 wrote:
    actually, i got the response i needed from this thread.

    what response was that?
  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    soulsinging wrote:
    i know i could. i can be a cold-blooded son of a bitch when it suits me. and i dont think legalizing murder is going to stop anyone from murdering as the original poster seems to think. just giving an honest answer to his question.

    I really hope that you aren't serious. I suspect that you can't really imagine what it would be like to kill someone. Have you ever killed anything bigger than a fly?
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Scubascott wrote:
    I really hope that you aren't serious. I suspect that you can't really imagine what it would be like to kill someone. Have you ever killed anything bigger than a fly?

    not intentionally. but i never had cause to. ive hit 2 cats in my car on accident. if there's one thing my life has shown me it's that im capable of doing some truly horrible things to people without remorse.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    is the gist of this thread that no one can be a true law abiding citizen because of all the stupid laws on the books?

    I don't know if it's the gist of the thread but I agree with this. I guess you could be a true law abiding citizen if you really wanted to, but I don't see the point of it.

    Yeah. I know. I'm guilty. I understand that. I knew it was a crime but I did it anyway. Shit, why argue? I'm a fucking criminal.

    -HST
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  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    soulsinging wrote:
    not intentionally. but i never had cause to. ive hit 2 cats in my car on accident. if there's one thing my life has shown me it's that im capable of doing some truly horrible things to people without remorse.

    I don't know if I want to know what those things were.

    I've killed a lot of animals in my time, and most of them weren't accidents. I know that doing the same thing to a person, essentially reducing them to the status of an animal and taking their life away, would be impossible for me to do, at least in cold blood. I don't need a law to tell me that its wrong.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Murder has nothing to do with the law and everything to do with brain damage.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Murder has nothing to do with the law and everything to do with brain damage.

    I'd love to hear which wacky direction you're going in with this one.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Scubascott wrote:
    I don't know if I want to know what those things were.

    I've killed a lot of animals in my time, and most of them weren't accidents. I know that doing the same thing to a person, essentially reducing them to the status of an animal and taking their life away, would be impossible for me to do, at least in cold blood. I don't need a law to tell me that its wrong.

    well, i dont need a law to know it's wrong, im just saying i probably wouldnt care if there wasnt going to be some serious blowback for doing it.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Scubascott wrote:
    I'd love to hear which wacky direction you're going in with this one.

    I think it's pretty obvious, I mean, everyone degrades others to a certain degree, right?

    If a person has suffered experiences that cause cortisol to damage their amygdala, which in turn affects their compassion, or if a person has suffered damage to their executive functions, they may make a terrible mistake under extenuating circumstances. Whereas, under normal circumstances they may appear relatively normal.

    A psychopath on the other hand is very obviously brain damaged. People that kill in numbers with no remorse clearly have something wrong with their brain.

    Now, we know that thoughts and experience directly affect the brains pathways and chemical production and in turn those pathways and chemicals affect decision making. Then it's obvious that in any case, all behavior is relative to brain states and health. Therefor, murder comes about from particular brain states.

    Regarding law, I don't see how the law as a deterrant plays any role in this. For example, a man comes home to catch his wife banging the milk man, for arguments sake, let's say the milkman is black and the husband is slightly racist towards black people. What will happen? Many people would turn around and leave, never to come back. Some people would kill the milkman, some would kill the milkman, their wife and themselves. That depends on their brain state and mental health, not on wether or not they will go to jail. A suicide killer is obviously not afraid of going to jail, he's intent on ending his own life as well.

    So, while the law serves as a good measure of what is morally wrong, it by no means dictates how people actually act in this regard.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, while the law serves as a good measure of what is morally wrong, it by no means dictates how people actually act in this regard.

    Ok, I agree with all that. I thought you were going to tell us that murder was correlated with brain injury or something.

    But, yes, I agree that having laws against murder has little to do with people by and large choosing not to commit murder. Killing somebody would not be a good logical choice to make in most cases. I'd like to think that its not part of the nature of most humans. At least those who live in a normally functioning peaceful society. I don't think the threat of jail is all that stops people from going around killing each other for personal gain.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison

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