About the muslims overrunning Europe

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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    angelica wrote:
    The essential underlying problem as I see it is that the Muslim way of life is based on diametrically opposed ways of processing life than our typical western ways. The Muslim way seems to be based on emotional processes and in the western world, we prioritize logic as King. the problem here is that both sides are imbalanced and henceforth are going to act out this imbalance on a wide scale, to the great detriment of many for what looks to me like years to come.

    What concerns me is when we walk around with ego issues of separation. When we want to have others act differently, and respect what we do. And we want to hold them accountable to our thought/belief standards. As long as we justify this, we continue our part in the imbalance. It is what it is, and will play out with negative consequences for many years.

    As callen suggests, the only way out of the imbalanced cycles is to hold ourselves to high standards, irrespective of what others do, knowing then that we are not co-creating this imbalance. The only way beyond the ego to peace, is to go beyond ideas of separation. Integration and harmony is created by going to a place of unity, beyond separation.


    Make no mistake Angelica, I don't believe that migrant Muslims should act like westerners or even adopt western customs (especially the Pop Culure of westerners.....ugh).

    But I do believe they can compromise enough to follow the laws of their host country, respect other cultures (without disrespecting or discrminating aginst them because they are not Muslims) and retain the basic or dare I say...."fundamental" elements of their own culture.

    You know me well enough to know I certainly don't want everyone walking around acting the same, talking the same, dressing the same and agreeing on everything....the same way. What a dull and horrific world that would be.

    I beleive there is a happy and peaceful middle ground for both muslims and people of their host countrys; if both are willing to be rational, mature, fair and loving.......to acheive it.


    As for your initial comments in that post, I agree with most of that.

    Personally I think that logic you speak of for westerners often lies in money, finances, profit and capitalism. Which isn't excactly a good thing when it's extreme.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    OK. I'm sorry I misread you.
    That is how the kooks arguing for the grand muslim conspiracy talk, and I projected that usage into what you said. But you seemed to agree with bigdvs sweeping generalizations.

    Peace
    Dan


    It's all good.

    Peace and Love to you too, Dan.
  • Jackieboy
    Jackieboy Posts: 78
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    Alright, I'll bite.

    (I read this word for word, btw)

    This is a subject that has fascinated me, perhaps moreso than the immigration of Latin Americans into the U.S., which has been in much greater numbers and mostly illegal. I take it that most folks from Muslim dominated counties who immigrate to Europe do so legally? Correct me if I'm wrong.

    I recently read in Harper's Magazine that 120,000 Iraqis have been granted amnesty in Sweden. 3,775 have been granted amnesty in the U.S. The U.S. state department denies amnesty to any Iraqi that has paid any ransom to terrorist groups, which disqualifies a WHOLE LOT of Iraqis. I think this statistic alone proves the true intentions of the U.S. government.

    I'm curious about what this means: "In reality, barely half a million of the country’s inhabitants have background from Muslim cultures". Because does that include children, born in Sweden, who have parents from Muslim cultures?

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    Correct, some 120 000 it is. They say that we, a country of 9 million citizens, recieve about half of all the Iraqi refugees outside of the muslim world every year. Americans should be ashamed of themselves and their country. You went in and totally raped a country leaving hundreds of thousands dead (and you complain about your petty 4000 MIAs) due to the invasion. A country left soiled in its own blood and oil. Religious cleansing and terrorist acts have become the everyday-life of Iraq. Millions have had to leave flee due to life-threatening situations.... If I was an american, I would ve asked the authorities: "Is it good for Iraqs sake if we pull out now?" Seems like nobody takes their best in account when they talk about a pullout... I for one, thnik that a pullout would result in more bloodbath and possibly, in the extent, a civil war.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/05/10/2007-05-10_a_baghdad_plea_us_should_stay_and_fight.html

    Yes, about 400 000-500 000 have BACKGROUND from muslim cultures. That includes alot of people who have fled the religious opression, like persians.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    NMyTree wrote:
    But I do believe they can compromise enough to follow the laws of their host country, respect other cultures (without disrespecting or discrminating aginst them because they are not Muslims) and retain the basic or dare I say...."fundamental" elements of their own culture.
    Like all of us, they can certainly be held to this. And like for all of us, they will continue to be human, and make mistakes. Also, change is very slow-moving at times, especially when people are blinded by thinking they are "right". They then will learn the hard way. And yet, learn they will...
    You know me well enough to know I certainly don't want everyone walking around acting the same, talking the same, dressing the same and agreeing on everything....the same way. What a dull and horrific world that would be.
    Yes I do know this about you.
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