What is "Intelligence"?

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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Wow. So you think if I am really good at playing the saxophone but I can't read, I have some intelligence? (creative)

    Or if I can interact well at a party but can't multiply 1 and 1, I have intelligence?

    To me, these things have absolutely nothing to do with intelligence and they certainly should never be included in an IQ test.
    My points are more meant to describe together what intelligence is. They are not to be taken apart and measured individually, which I know is all the rage in parts of the psychological field, and has been for some time. Intelligence is a very fuzzy term, and there are many dubious tests and testing methods out there. And I am not quite sure it is something that can be tested satisfactorily. We can make aptitude tests, test knowledge and whatnot. But are we then really measuring intelligence and all the things we associate with it?

    My attempt was to describe the qualities I would associate with intelligence, or as I see it, what seperates us from animals (somewhat, as there are animals displaying some of these qualities). Social intelligence should not be underestimated, and creativity is really the heart of the matter of intelligence. Creativity in it's broadest definition that is.

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Wow. So you think if I am really good at playing the saxophone but I can't read, I have some intelligence? (creative)

    Or if I can interact well at a party but can't multiply 1 and 1, I have intelligence?

    To me, these things have absolutely nothing to do with intelligence and they certainly should never be included in an IQ test.

    Creativity is definitely part of intelligence... it goes a long with problem solving, most anyone can solve a problem based on past experiences and observations, but it takes a certain level of intelligence to come up with a creative way to solve the problem that works better than what anyone else has come up with.

    Social skills are a part of intelligence as well... i would consider a manager who gets extremely high results and proficiency out of his/her department as intelligent (same as a great coach). They can read people and understand how people interact with each other and in different situations, so they know where and how to use the talents the individual people have. You don't consider that intelligent behavior?
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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Creativity is definitely part of intelligence... it goes a long with problem solving, most anyone can solve a problem based on past experiences and observations, but it takes a certain level of intelligence to come up with a creative way to solve the problem that works better than what anyone else has come up with.

    Social skills are a part of intelligence as well... i would consider a manager who gets extremely high results and proficiency out of his/her department as intelligent (same as a great coach). They can read people and understand how people interact with each other and in different situations, so they know where and how to use the talents the individual people have. You don't consider that intelligent behavior?
    That's how I should have said it. :)

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Intelligence = Design - Design x 2

    Q: psst. Nobody knows what to make of this.
    A: I see that. Do you know why?
    Q: I ask the questions here. Why?
    A: Because people don't see an element.
    Q: Element?
    A: An Element of intelligence to it.
    Q: Bwahahahaha
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Creativity is definitely part of intelligence... it goes a long with problem solving, most anyone can solve a problem based on past experiences and observations, but it takes a certain level of intelligence to come up with a creative way to solve the problem that works better than what anyone else has come up with.

    Social skills are a part of intelligence as well... i would consider a manager who gets extremely high results and proficiency out of his/her department as intelligent (same as a great coach). They can read people and understand how people interact with each other and in different situations, so they know where and how to use the talents the individual people have. You don't consider that intelligent behavior?

    Humans display intelligent behavior regardless of what they do. They're humans. Top of the food chain, hence, the superlative "intelligence".
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gue_barium wrote:
    Humans display intelligent behavior regardless of what they do. They're humans. Top of the food chain, hence, the superlative "intelligence".

    How does a human eating an apple or drinking water display more intelligent behavior than a horse doing the same thing?
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ability to learn,
    Ability to apply what they've learned,
    Ability to think critically,
    Ability to apply what they've learn to new situations,
    Self awareness.

    I am a firm believer that there are many different areas of intelligence that all roll up into an overall general intelligence. People with good emotional inteeligence astonish me, that's so far outside my area of intelligence I'm always in awe.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    blackredyellow wrote:
    How does a human eating an apple or drinking water display more intelligent behavior than a horse doing the same thing?

    I didn't say they do.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gue_barium wrote:
    I didn't say they do.

    ummmm, yeah, you did...
    gue_barium wrote:
    Humans display intelligent behavior regardless of what they do. They're humans. Top of the food chain, hence, the superlative "intelligence".
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Bu2 wrote:
    Intelligence is the trait that allows one to absorb information in a clear and concise manner, and relate it back to fellow men in a clear and consice manner.

    5 attributes:

    Discernment
    Questioning
    Seeking
    Striving
    Testing

    is it possible for one man to have an idea so genius...there are no words to try and explain it to any other man, due to the fact, they clearly will never be on the same level.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    blackredyellow wrote:
    ummmm, yeah, you did...

    Actually no I didn't. How does a human recognize itself? And I don't mean by looking in the mirror, although that may be a start.

    "Intelligence" is language based, therefore it is a design of humans for humans.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    gue_barium wrote:
    I didn't say they do.

    a horse would eat that apple if it had rolled through shit..thats a lack of intelligence.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    macgyver06 wrote:
    a horse would eat that apple if it had rolled through shit..thats a lack of intelligence.

    No, that's a horse.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    what about this..


    simple...


    The ability to use what you've learned in the past along with the ability to decipher happenings on the present and sometimes future possibilities, this of course leading to educated decisions on experiences learned in the past. Being able to sort these out collectively to form a reasoning, a style, a system to guide through your life the best way you apparently know how.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    gue_barium wrote:
    No, that's a horse.


    disease ridden shit can kill a horse.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    macgyver06 wrote:
    what about this..


    simple...


    The ability to use what you've learned in the past along with the ability to decipher happenings on the present and sometimes future possibilities, this of course leading to educated decisions on experiences learned in the past. Being able to sort these out collectively to form a reasoning, a style, a system to guide through your life the best way you apparently know how.

    That's nicely said. That is awareness of Time.
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  • gue_barium
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    macgyver06 wrote:
    disease ridden shit can kill a horse.

    Tell it to the horse.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    gue_barium wrote:
    Tell it to the horse.

    what are you getting at... horses could care less if they die?
  • freedomboy
    freedomboy Posts: 129
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The debate on ethnic differences in IQ testing has me wondering... At the beginning of the chapter on Intelligence in Schaffer's Fifth Edition Developmental Psychology he states:

    Go out and ask five people to summarize in a single sentence what intelligence means to them, and then, to list up to five attributes characterizing highly intelligent people.

    I would share my thoughts on this after reading the book, but I'll save that for later. Right now, I'd like at least five people to provide the above-mentioned criteria.

    To me, intelligence means nothing. Anyone can come to the same conclusion given time. IQ testing is culturally biased anyway. However, I believe the technical meaning is the rate and accuracy in which one's brain is able to come to the most logical conclusion in a situation.

    1. quick
    2. observant
    3. calculating
    4. objective
    5. accurate
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    gue_barium wrote:
    Tell it to the horse.

    Are you suggesting that coconuts Migrate?

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