verbal agreements vs. contracts

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    gue_barium wrote:
    No, I'm just saying I don't need "the contract" to interact with other people.

    Then don't use them. What's the problem here?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    mammasan wrote:
    They don't necessarily involve a bank. A loan involves a bank but utilities, insurance, wills, marriage. What if you need work done on your car. Are you going to just bring it to a mechanic and assume or trust that he will do the job. Or are you going to ask that he give you a list of all the work that needs to be done with a signed written gaurantee that the work will be done to your satisfaction. If you want the signed and written guarentee then that is a contract.

    I do my own car repairs. The utilities are included on my verbally agreed upon month-to-month rental.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'll never need a loan.

    So you have money and don't trust banks do you keep all of your money in your sock drawer?

    I could have paid for it upfront too, but paying over time (interest free) made more sense because I can make interest or invest the money for the future payments.

    And my example wasn't about needing a loan, it was to support the facts that not all contracts are bad and need to be avoided. In the end, I actually will make out better financially thanks to this contract.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Then don't use them. What's the problem here?

    What problem? I thought it was an interesting topic, so I made a post.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jeffbr wrote:
    Why would you want to avoid them? I guess I don't understand your basic premise. A contract, freely entered into by consenting adults, for a mutually beneficial reason sounds like a great idea.

    well, then they'd have to live up to their responsibilities. this is america dude. nobody wants to be held accountable for anything.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    No, I'm just saying I don't need "the contract" to interact with other people.

    Cell phones?
    Cable tv?
    Internet access?
    Utilities?
    Rent/lease/mortgage?
    Credit card?
    Bank account?
    Rental car?
    Participation in a recreational sport?
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    gue_barium wrote:
    I do my own car repairs. The utilities are included on my verbally agreed upon month-to-month rental.

    Well I hope your landlord doesn't turn around one day and tell you to get the fuck out. Since you don't have a signed lease he basically can kick you out for any damn reason.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    gue_barium wrote:
    What problem? I thought it was an interesting topic, so I made a post.

    I guess I just don't understand the topic then. Who is forcing you to sign contracts? Who is even asking you to do this? You bring up bankers, then you say you'll never need a loan. What contracts are being forced upon you, or others?

    It appears that you have a problem crossing the dividing line between verbal agreements and contracts. That dividing line is known as honesty. So, it sounds like you have an honesty problem.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    click "agree" by signing up to a message board.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    click "agree" by signing up to a message board.

    ooooooooh shit!
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Interesting to note that 'verbal agreement' has yet to make an argument in this topic. Everyone focuses on the contract.
    It's just the world we live in, I suppose, huh.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I guess I just don't understand the topic then. Who is forcing you to sign contracts? Who is even asking you to do this? You bring up bankers, then you say you'll never need a loan. What contracts are being forced upon you, or others?

    It appears that you have a problem crossing the dividing line between verbal agreements and contracts. That dividing line is known as honesty. So, it sounds like you have an honesty problem.

    Lol. Right. Honest people don't need contracts, silly.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Interesting to note that 'verbal agreement' has yet to make an argument in this topic. Everyone focuses on the contract.
    It's just the world we live in, I suppose, huh.

    becos people cannot be trusted and a person's "word" means nothing anymore. not like it used to. you'd be an idiot to bank on people's honesty and good will.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gue_Barium did you go to college? Because if you did then you have signed a contract. Ever belong to a gym or any type of membership to an organization? Ever have a subscription to any type of publication? Ever own or use a library card? All of these are contracts that you may have entered in to.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    What would Judge Judy do...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gue_barium wrote:
    Interesting to note that 'verbal agreement' has yet to make an argument in this topic. Everyone focuses on the contract.
    It's just the world we live in, I suppose, huh.

    Verbal agreements work, but if something came up and you had to prove that you had a verbal agreement with someone, then it's your word against theirs. I like my landlord and all, and don't think that they would screw me over, but it's nice to know that if he did that I would have legal recourse, instead of trying to prove that he told me that he wouldn't increase my rent $200.

    I'm not sure of your fear of contracts if you are willing to enter into verbal agreements unless you think that you are the one that will try to back out of something or not hold up your end.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    soulsinging wrote:
    becos people cannot be trusted and a person's "word" means nothing anymore. not like it used to. you'd be an idiot to bank on people's honesty and good will.


    Keeps me searching for a heart of gold...and I'm growing old...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    Cell phones?
    Cable tv?
    Internet access?
    Utilities?
    Rent/lease/mortgage?
    Credit card?
    Bank account?
    Rental car?
    Participation in a recreational sport?
    Cable, credit cards, and rental cars I can do without. Utilities and internet are part of the rental agreement I have. I have a savings account at a credit union...and that was kind of a necessity in order to cash my payroll checks.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    gue_barium wrote:
    Lol. Right. Honest people don't need contracts, silly.

    You've got it backwards. Honest people don't have anything to fear from contracts. Honest people use contracts to ensure that their expectations and commitments are in writing.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You've got it backwards. Honest people don't have anything to fear from contracts. Honest people use contracts to ensure that their expectations and commitments are in writing.

    Well, that's where we disagree then.
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