verbal agreements vs. contracts

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gue_barium wrote:
    Who says you need a marriage license to get married?

    In the US if you want to be legally married (medical benefits, tax benefits, next of kin type things, etc) you need a marriage license.

    Do you plan of ever getting a will?
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    gue_barium wrote:
    Hate may be a strong word, but I disagree with you on the unavoidable part of which you speak.

    You can disagree all you like. I guess it probably comes down to a differing idea on the meaning of "contract". If you think it's possible and desirable to avoid contracts at all costs, more power to you. I certainly don't believe people should have to contract with others, I simply think it's in their best interests to do so and the fundamental meaning of exchange requires it.

    But if contracts aren't your thing, that's totally fine by me.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    Or, is "the contract" an unavoidable fact of life?

    Why would you want to avoid them? I guess I don't understand your basic premise. A contract, freely entered into by consenting adults, for a mutually beneficial reason sounds like a great idea.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jeffbr wrote:
    The state.

    Now, I'm with you, I don't think the state should be involved. But if you have any issues of benefits or probate, without a marriage contract or domestic partner contract, your spouse will have a battle on his/her hands.

    I fully agree that the government has no business sticking their nose in this but if you do want to protect your family you have to do it.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    The state.

    Now, I'm with you, I don't think the state should be involved. But if you have any issues of benefits or probate, without a marriage contract or domestic partner contract, your spouse will have a battle on his/her hands.

    With who? Really, I want to spend my life avoiding these vampires. I'm sure my spouse will feel the same way. There wont be anything to battle over.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    mammasan wrote:
    I fully agree that the government has no business sticking their nose in this but if you do want to protect your family you have to do it.

    Baloney. If you want to protect your family you teach them to stay away from those assholes.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gue_barium I don't understand your dislike for contracts. They are there to protect all parties involved.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    blackredyellow wrote:
    In the US if you want to be legally married (medical benefits, tax benefits, next of kin type things, etc) you need a marriage license.

    Do you plan of ever getting a will?

    Nope.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    gue_barium wrote:
    Baloney. If you want to protect your family you teach them to stay away from those assholes.

    Baloney. If you meet someone and love each other she/he will never be able to receive your health benefits or be the benficiary of your life insurance unless you have that license. It sucks but the government has made it so you need to sign that contract in order to protect the one you love.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    With who? Really, I want to spend my life avoiding these vampires. I'm sure my spouse will feel the same way. There wont be anything to battle over.

    With who? With the state, insurance companies, etc... Unless you plan to be penniless and destitute, there will certainly be something to battle over.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    jeffbr wrote:
    Why would you want to avoid them? I guess I don't understand your basic premise. A contract, freely entered into by consenting adults, for a mutually beneficial reason sounds like a great idea.

    Yeah, that's what I don't get... If you agree on something that is beneficial to you or that protects you, what is the problem?

    I just signed a contract for 0% financing on new bedroom furniture. If I don't pay it off in 12 months, I will own back interest at a ridiculous rate. I happily signed that contract because 1) I will pay it off in 12 months and 2) Paying the total over 12 months makes more sense to me then one big sum at the beginning. It won't cost me anymore in the end, and I will at least get some interest out of the money.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    mammasan wrote:
    Gue_barium I don't understand your dislike for contracts. They are there to protect all parties involved.

    For the most part, contracts involving the bank are designed in favor of the bank. Our fiat monetary system relies on banks failing a certain percentage of loans (contracts). So, fuck em.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gue_barium wrote:
    Nope.

    Nope for a will? I guess you'll be happy with the government and lawyers getting more than they deserve when you die.

    My grandfather didn't have a will, and cleaning up his estate will probably take 2 years when all of the property is sold and divided up. It has become a huge pain in the ass between my mother and my uncle, and they are working on it totally amicably and fully cooperating. It would have been MUCH simpler if he had a will.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Yeah, that's what I don't get... If you agree on something that is beneficial to you or that protects you, what is the problem?

    I just signed a contract for 0% financing on new bedroom furniture. If I don't pay it off in 12 months, I will own back interest at a ridiculous rate. I happily signed that contract because 1) I will pay it off in 12 months and 2) Paying the total over 12 months makes more sense to me then one big sum at the beginning. It won't cost me anymore in the end, and I will at least get some interest out of the money.

    I'll never need a loan.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Nope for a will? I guess you'll be happy with the government and lawyers getting more than they deserve when you die.

    My grandfather didn't have a will, and cleaning up his estate will probably take 2 years when all of the property is sold and divided up. It has become a huge pain in the ass between my mother and my uncle, and they are working on it totally amicably and fully cooperating. It would have been MUCH simpler if he had a will.

    well, condolences to your grandfather, but he should have had a better system set up with his family. i think that is possible without contracts. or wills.
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  • farfromglorified
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    gue_barium wrote:
    For the most part, contracts involving the bank are designed in favor of the bank. Our fiat monetary system relies on banks failing a certain percentage of loans (contracts). So, fuck em.

    Ummm....so in other words your beef isn't with contracts but rather with banks?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    For the most part, contracts involving the bank are designed in favor of the bank. Our fiat monetary system relies on banks failing a certain percentage of loans (contracts). So, fuck em.

    For the most part? No. For the most part contracts are used for much of our interactions with other people. It is not just bankers who use them. Your apparent fear of banking has clouded your understanding of contracts.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    well, condolences to your grandfather, but he should have had a better system set up with his family. i think that is possible without contracts. or wills.

    How? You may want to read up on probate law.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    gue_barium wrote:
    For the most part, contracts involving the bank are designed in favor of the bank. Our fiat monetary system relies on banks failing a certain percentage of loans (contracts). So, fuck em.

    They don't necessarily involve a bank. A loan involves a bank but utilities, insurance, wills, marriage. What if you need work done on your car. Are you going to just bring it to a mechanic and assume or trust that he will do the job. Or are you going to ask that he give you a list of all the work that needs to be done with a signed written gaurantee that the work will be done to your satisfaction. If you want the signed and written guarentee then that is a contract.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    For the most part? No. For the most part contracts are used for much of our interactions with other people. It is not just bankers who use them. Your apparent fear of banking has clouded your understanding of contracts.

    No, I'm just saying I don't need "the contract" to interact with other people.
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