Experience. Does it make a difference in office?

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  • Hollyweird
    Hollyweird Posts: 197
    Is very relevant right now with two wars and a sputtering economy. Im all for social experiments but not right now. Im no Republican but I have a real problem with a guy who says he would pull out of Iraq regardless of the circumstances on the ground and then travel the world having tea with every dictator in the world to make nice. We cant afford another Jimmy Carter right now.
  • Jimmydean55
    Jimmydean55 Posts: 1,584
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Experience in politics just means getting better and better at being a dirt ball.

    Bingo!
  • butters
    butters Posts: 63
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Experience in politics just means getting better and better at being a dirt ball.

    Ya, but you have to know how dirtballs work to get around. You go in with ideals and not much else, and chances are you won't get much done. I again bring up JFK vs LBJ. JFK talked about civil rights, LBJ got civil rights for black people.
  • Im still here
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    I like Bill Clinton, what a First Lady.........

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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    butters wrote:
    Ya, but you have to know how dirtballs work to get around. You go in with ideals and not much else, and chances are you won't get much done. I again bring up JFK vs LBJ. JFK talked about civil rights, LBJ got civil rights for black people.

    Yeah, damn that JFK for getting assassinated so he couldn't close the deal.
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  • darkcrow
    darkcrow Posts: 1,102
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Yeah, damn that JFK for getting assassinated so he couldn't close the deal.
    i really doubt he would have got it passed had he survived. LBJ worked his arse off making sure he had the votes. JFK just really wasn't good at that stuff.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    I like Bill Clinton, what a First Lady.........

    *(it had to be done)*

    If Hillary is elected, I'm betting Bill becomes the first First Lady to get his cock sucked in the Oval Office since Eleanor Roosevelt.

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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    slightofjeff wrote:
    If Hillary is elected, I'm betting Bill becomes the first First Lady to get his cock sucked in the Oval Office since Eleanor Roosevelt.

    *badabing*

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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    butters wrote:
    Ya, but you have to know how dirtballs work to get around. You go in with ideals and not much else, and chances are you won't get much done. I again bring up JFK vs LBJ. JFK talked about civil rights, LBJ got civil rights for black people.

    hillary? Is that you? Are you trolling our peaceful little message board again, hillary? Shouldn't you be getting your tax returns and whitehouse papers together instead of posting here?


    Seriously, the truth of the matter is that LBJ didn't get shit for Black people. That isn't a dig, really, just an observation. There was so much pressure on him at the time that he really had no political choice. He is to be, somewhat commended, i'll concede that, but to say that "LBJ got civil rights for black people", is a tad ridiculous. Black people got civil rights for Black people. Not only Black people, but sincere, well intentioned whites as well, willing to march, sit-in, stand-in, and in other ways civily disobey, a coaltition of Black and clear sighted white PEOPLE led by Dr. King and a handful of others, willing to be beaten, jailed arrested, harrassed, dog-bitten, fire hosed and, in some instanced killed, for the cause, got civil rights for Black people. LBJ didn't "get" civil rights for anyone.
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  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    butters wrote:
    eh... what exactly did JFK do that was so great? He inspired people sure, but I don't know of any great accomplishments. He gets a lot of love mostly because he was shot. He was a vocal supporter of civil rights, but it was LBJ (an experienced statesmen) who actually got civil rights bills passed. LBJ did this by virtue of his long experience as a politician (ie arm twisting and using the influence he had built up).

    Nixon may have been a racist paranoid crook, but by many accounts he was an effective international president, amongst other things opening relations with China.

    It doesn't matter what the job is, experience matters.
    actually saw a very interesting documentary last week about the Vienna conference.. and it was food for thought about experience..because it was JFK's inexperience that made a mess...

    but then again, someone 'experienced' is far less likely to want to change the system that got him/her there, however rotten it is..
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Pegasus wrote:
    actually saw a very interesting documentary last week about the Vienna conference.. and it was food for thought about experience..because it was JFK's inexperience that made a mess...

    but then again, someone 'experienced' is far less likely to want to change the system that got him/her there, however rotten it is..

    Obama isn't going to change the system, either. Hate to break to all you Oba-maniacs.
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  • butters
    butters Posts: 63
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Yeah, damn that JFK for getting assassinated so he couldn't close the deal.

    Chance are he wouldn't have. There was enough opposition to it that it wasn't going to pass as it was. LBJ got it through by armtwisting pure and simple. LBJ was associated with a good deal of people who were insitutional racists, and it was his inside knowledge of them that allowed him to do this.

    Any bill that Kennedy would have passed would have been watered down. He couldn't push the opposition around the way LBJ did.
  • Hollyweird
    Hollyweird Posts: 197
    butters wrote:
    Chance are he wouldn't have. There was enough opposition to it that it wasn't going to pass as it was. LBJ got it through by armtwisting pure and simple. LBJ was associated with a good deal of people who were insitutional racists, and it was his inside knowledge of them that allowed him to do this.

    Any bill that Kennedy would have passed would have been watered down. He couldn't push the opposition around the way LBJ did.

    Oh my god you said LBJ! Racist!
  • Hollyweird
    Hollyweird Posts: 197
    butters wrote:
    Chance are he wouldn't have. There was enough opposition to it that it wasn't going to pass as it was. LBJ got it through by armtwisting pure and simple. LBJ was associated with a good deal of people who were insitutional racists, and it was his inside knowledge of them that allowed him to do this.

    Any bill that Kennedy would have passed would have been watered down. He couldn't push the opposition around the way LBJ did.

    Oh my god you said LBJ! Racist!
  • Hollyweird
    Hollyweird Posts: 197
    cornnifer wrote:
    hillary? Is that you? Are you trolling our peaceful little message board again, hillary? Shouldn't you be getting your tax returns and whitehouse papers together instead of posting here?


    Seriously, the truth of the matter is that LBJ didn't get shit for Black people. That isn't a dig, really, just an observation. There was so much pressure on him at the time that he really had no political choice. He is to be, somewhat commended, i'll concede that, but to say that "LBJ got civil rights for black people", is a tad ridiculous. Black people got civil rights for Black people. Not only Black people, but sincere, well intentioned whites as well, willing to march, sit-in, stand-in, and in other ways civily disobey, a coaltition of Black and clear sighted white PEOPLE led by Dr. King and a handful of others, willing to be beaten, jailed arrested, harrassed, dog-bitten, fire hosed and, in some instanced killed, for the cause, got civil rights for Black people. LBJ didn't "get" civil rights for anyone.

    You Obama kooks missed History. It's not racist to state a historical fact. LBJ did implement JFK's Civil Rights legislation. Period. This is indisputable. That does not diminish the fact the many people, black and white, chrisitians and jews sacrificed themselves in the Civil Rights movement in the 60's. Enough with the racial sensitivity.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Obama isn't going to change the system, either. Hate to break to all you Oba-maniacs.

    Oh, how can you sit there and say that?! Obama stands up for all that is good and rails against the system! Haven't you seen how he's given the finger to the nuclear power industry and decided it's time to look for a more environment friendly energy plan? Haven't you seen how he applies pressure to the banking industry and let's them know enough is enough....the american people come first? Haven't you seen how he has had enough of people dying and suffering due to lack of health insurance and how he wants to implement a single payer universal plan plan so no one will have to go without? Haven't you seen how he's against war and wants to use diplomacy and the UN as a means to encouraging talks of peaceful resolution before stationing our military in strategic areas of the globe to maintain power?
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Obama stands up for all that is good and rails against the system!

    Is this a joke?
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Is this a joke?

    What do you think, Driftin'?

    Are my skills in sarcasm really that rusty? :D
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