Does Obama Have An Anger Problem?

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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    g under p wrote:
    Sponger I have some respect for you cause I appreciate you editing what you previously said. I believe you took a look at what you said and saw that was not the appropriate thing to say.

    I was going to come at ya but at the same time keep my cool. :D

    Peace

    I edited it out only because your post spoke for itself, and I was going to let others figure it out on their own.
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    cincybearcat wrote:
    As is the anger thing...see how that works?


    What? that's what I was talking about.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,960
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    What? that's what I was talking about.


    Sorry, I was using your quote to reiterate my point about everyone blaming how Obama "has to act" for fear of racism all the time...

    Wasn't directed at you.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    "everyone" doesn't matter, it's the excuse given every time, I'm tired of it.

    Everyone does matter, apparently to you, why else would you have said it? No one in this thread, or any other thread I've seen, has said that everyone in America is racist. Many people, including myself have acknowledged that race will play a factor in this election, and considering how close this election will probably be, it could be a game-changing factor. I think for someone to believe otherwise they would have to jump through quite a few logistical hoops. It's just not realistic to say it won't be a part of this election.
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    That is applicable to american culture. Not just just to one of the races found in america.

    I think David Chappelle's sketch about a black head of household switching places with a white head of household pretty much sums up the reality of that which I am speaking.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,960
    digster wrote:
    Everyone does matter, apparently to you, why else would you have said it? No one in this thread, or any other thread I've seen, has said that everyone in America is racist. Many people, including myself have acknowledged that race will play a factor in this election, and considering how close this election will probably be, it could be a game-changing factor. I think for someone to believe otherwise they would have to jump through quite a few logistical hoops. It's just not realistic to say it won't be a part of this election.


    Semantics...you are assuming it matters to enough people that he wouldn't be elected. You are saying that people (you didn't say some ;) once again semantics) would see him as an angry black man.

    Those that won't vote for him because he's black already don't need an outburst from him to make that decision...now do they? It wouldn't change a thing based on racist voters.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Semantics...you are assuming it matters to enough people that he wouldn't be elected. You are saying that people (you didn't say some ;) once again semantics) would see him as an angry black man.

    Those that won't vote for him because he's black already don't need an outburst from him to make that decision...now do they? It wouldn't change a thing based on racist voters.

    I don't know...I don't think racism and prejudice is as simple and as easily defined as to divy it up into racism and non-racism. I think it's wrong in any respect, but that doesn't mean it's a black and white issue (no pun intended). Many people who cast a vote against him because he's black would probably never admit that in public. But when you have 12% of Democratic white voters in Pennsylvania saying they voted against Obama on the basis of racism, and you have people theorizing through polling that Obama could lose as many as 6 percentage points due to racism, and when you take into account that for the simple fact that most people who are racist are not going to openly and knowingly admit it to a pollster which means that those numbers are probably far higher....

    .....yeah, taking all that into account, I think it's going to be a pretty significant part of this election.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,960
    digster wrote:
    I don't know...I don't think racism and prejudice is as simple and as easily defined as to divy it up into racism and non-racism. I think it's wrong in any respect, but that doesn't mean it's a black and white issue (no pun intended). Many people who cast a vote against him because he's black would probably never admit that in public. But when you have 12% of Democratic white voters in Pennsylvania saying they voted against Obama on the basis of racism, and you have people theorizing through polling that Obama could lose as many as 6 percentage points due to racism, and when you take into account that for the simple fact that most people who are racist are not going to openly and knowingly admit it to a pollster which means that those numbers are probably far higher....

    .....yeah, taking all that into account, I think it's going to be a pretty significant part of this election.


    I htink you didn't read my post. Certainly people won't vote for him based on race (just as some people will vote for him based solely on race). But they are already not going to vote for him whether or not they'll publicly admit it or admit why. So, an outburst making these people see him as an angry black man will have no effect over their vote, as they have already made up their minds.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I htink you didn't read my post. Certainly people won't vote for him based on race (just as some people will vote for him based solely on race). But they are already not going to vote for him whether or not they'll publicly admit it or admit why. So, an outburst making these people see him as an angry black man will have no effect over their vote, as they have already made up their minds.

    I did read your post, and that is why I responded with the assertion that racism is not that simple. There are many people who are undecided, who may have concisious or unconcisous racial tendencies. Obama has probably realized he cannot appear threatening to these people. I doubt most of the racists in this country walk around with the constant realization and acknowledgment, "I'm a racist"...many people, including myself at times in my life, have held racial attitudes without realizing it. Yes, there are definitely racists who will no way, no how vote for a black man, but there are also many others who probably do not like McCain but may be wary of voting for Obama because he's black.

    Also, the idea that the whites who will vote against Obama due to his skin color, and the blacks who will vote for him due to his skin color will create an equal balancing allowing the issues to flourish is just unlikely. The percentage of the electorate in 2004 was about 80% white. Even with more black turnout this time around, it's still probably going to be about 75% white...and minority voters have tended to vote in overwhelming numbers for the Democratic candidate anyway. So, if those numbers were a little more even, maybe we could talk about the race votes being a wash.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,960
    digster wrote:
    Also, the idea that the whites who will vote against Obama due to his skin color, and the blacks who will vote for him due to his skin color will create an equal balancing allowing the issues to flourish is just unlikely. The percentage of the electorate in 2004 was about 80% white. Even with more black turnout this time around, it's still probably going to be about 75% white...and minority voters have tended to vote in overwhelming numbers for the Democratic candidate anyway. So, if those numbers were a little more even, maybe we could talk about the race votes being a wash.


    Where did I say it was an equal balance? I didn't. Never said it was a wash, not once. You're trying to debate me about the effect of racism while I'm trying to stick only the topic of an Obama outburst. We're not even talking the same thing.
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    sponger wrote:
    I think David Chappelle's sketch about a black head of household switching places with a white head of household pretty much sums up the reality of that which I am speaking.


    I haven't seen that sketch but our forms of entertainment that are found in america support what I said.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Where did I say it was an equal balance? I didn't. Never said it was a wash, not once. You're trying to debate me about the effect of racism while I'm trying to stick only the topic of an Obama outburst. We're not even talking the same thing.

    How was I to know that? You started the debate with these two quotes...

    "everyone" doesn't matter, it's the excuse given every time, I'm tired of it."

    It didn't sound to me like we were talking about Obama's outburst, or talking just about Obama's outburst. It sounded to me from that quote I cited like we were talking about the effect of racism, and how it is an "excuse" as you put it for Obama doing poorly.
  • DixieN
    DixieN Posts: 351
    Obama's main "anger problem" is that he's not allowed to show any anger.
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    In all fairness, Howard Dean's emotional "outburst" in 2004 instantly ended his race for president. America's swift judgment of him obviously had little to do with racism.

    The expression of emotional extremes is not considered "professional" regardless of ethnic background.
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