Pit Censorship

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  • samnation
    samnation Los Angeles, CA Posts: 277
    Mohab wrote:
    this aint no fancy restaurant. some people swear and use crude langauage but have no less to say

    the point being that there are rules of conduct everywhere you go that we all choose to agree to or not. And being rude and disrespectful is not just about using "crude language."

    If I go to a baseball game and don't want to get kicked out, I have to agree to not start fights, run on to the field, yell "c*cksucker!" every 10 seconds into the face of everyone around me, etc. Otherwise I will be asked to leave and eventually forced to leave. Our freedom is our ability to simply leave and go somewhere else if we don't like the rules.

    P.S. I think even McDonald's would kick you out if you stood on the tables and starting yelling obscenities. It's not just a "fancy restaurant" thing. :)
    Sam
  • teflonsteve
    teflonsteve Posts: 275
    Its pretty hypocritical that a band that supports free speech has a message board run by some power hungry mods.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    teflonsteve wrote:
    Its pretty hypocritical that a band that supports free speech has a message board run by some power hungry mods.

    again ... could someone give us an example of how this is true? There are a lot of threads out there full of complaints about the band. Why weren't they all erased or locked? Where's the censorship?

    One person came on here and made the accusation, but since has done nothing to back it up. I think I'm going to make a thread saying, "It was wrong for Stone Gossard to make out with my grandma" and see how much support I can drum up.

    Also, "free speech" has nothing to do with it. You'll be surprised to know there is nothing in the Bill of Rights about private Internet message boards.
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  • locked
    locked Boston Posts: 4,048
    Mohab wrote:
    whipping post - good call

    agreed!
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  • Mohab
    Mohab Posts: 310
    samnation wrote:
    the point being that there are rules of conduct everywhere you go that we all choose to agree to or not. And being rude and disrespectful is not just about using "crude language."

    If I go to a baseball game and don't want to get kicked out, I have to agree to not start fights, run on to the field, yell "c*cksucker!" every 10 seconds into the face of everyone around me, etc. Otherwise I will be asked to leave and eventually forced to leave. Our freedom is our ability to simply leave and go somewhere else if we don't like the rules.

    P.S. I think even McDonald's would kick you out if you stood on the tables and starting yelling obscenities. It's not just a "fancy restaurant" thing. :)

    i hear you, there are limits. not sure they are clear and ive seen sometimes it looks like they are honestly protecting their jobs and site commerce more than honest hardcore jam fans. Thats a little over the top i admit, but i'm no longer surprised by that kind of thing, just at finding it in a pearl jam pit of all places. I mean, i do love them, but like with family sometimes brutal honesty can be really ugly, but should not be shied away from in light of preserving a blissful state of mind indefinately.
  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    mattcoz wrote:
    This one? http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=5625547#post5625547

    Thank you, yes. It can be confusing keeping track of threads and posts in here.
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    So Eddie insulting Good Charlotte and going off on dickhead President Bush and the war is ok but being negative here isn't? The band flipped out after AT&T censored them sharing their negative opinion of Bush. How is that different than censoring stuff here? It's still disrespect.

    For the record, I hate Good Charlotte and Bush but I don't see a difference. It's still name calling. It has been really negative around here but the best thing to do is stay away from those threads. I don't agree with things being censored around here but it is their right to do it.
  • Mohab
    Mohab Posts: 310
    slightofjeff wrote:
    again ... could someone give us an example of how this is true? There are a lot of threads out there full of complaints about the band. Why weren't they all erased or locked? Where's the censorship?

    One person came on here and made the accusation, but since has done nothing to back it up. I think I'm going to make a thread saying, "It was wrong for Stone Gossard to make out with my grandma" and see how much support I can drum up.

    Also, "free speech" has nothing to do with it. You'll be surprised to know there is nothing in the Bill of Rights about private Internet message boards.

    I dont get kicks by drumming up drama. i am not posting for fun, i could also just forget the threads anyone who has been here long enough can attest to seeing. Make a thread like you mentioned and see where it takes you
  • samnation
    samnation Los Angeles, CA Posts: 277
    Mohab wrote:
    i hear you, there are limits. not sure they are clear and ive seen sometimes it looks like they are honestly protecting their jobs and site commerce more than honest hardcore jam fans. Thats a little over the top i admit, but i'm no longer surprised by that kind of thing, just at finding it in a pearl jam pit of all places. I mean, i do love them, but like with family sometimes brutal honesty can be really ugly, but should not be shied away from in light of preserving a blissful state of mind indefinately.

    Agreed. I'm not in favor of mindless conformity. And I do think people tend to come down too hard on opinions that go against the grain. But hopefully cooler heads and reasonable voices will win out and some honest discussion can take place without the boring "Pearl Jam sucks ass!" "No, they don't!!! YOU suck ass!" back and forth.
    Sam
  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    I haven't made too many friends here because of my opinionated posts, but that's just how I am. Some places I get kicked out immediately, and other places it endears me to just about everyone. Pearl Jam has their share of over-sensitive fans...the kind that would complain to a security guard if someone was smoking a joint ;)
  • Mohab
    Mohab Posts: 310
    samnation wrote:
    Agreed. I'm not in favor of mindless conformity. And I do think people tend to come down too hard on opinions that go against the grain. But hopefully cooler heads and reasonable voices will win out and some honest discussion can take place without the boring "Pearl Jam sucks ass!" "No, they don't!!! YOU suck ass!" back and forth.

    We can always ignore them, cencorship of certain lynchpin posts in threads is just sneeky and taking out whole ones that go against the grain too rough is bad news
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,984
    JWBusher wrote:
    Thank you, yes. It can be confusing keeping track of threads and posts in here.

    You can view your own profile and click on the link that finds the last 300 of your posts. That limit is set because Searches are server intensive.
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  • samnation
    samnation Los Angeles, CA Posts: 277
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    So Eddie insulting Good Charlotte and going off on dickhead President Bush and the war is ok but being negative here isn't? The band flipped out after AT&T censored them sharing their negative opinion of Bush. How is that different than censoring stuff here? It's still disrespect.

    First of all I'm assuming that there is a level of respect for Pearl Jam that exists here in this message board. If you do hate Pearl Jam like the majority of the U.S. hates Bush, then you are of course free to say that, but one could argue that this is not the place for it.

    Wouldn't there be a difference if Eddie Vedder was at the White House and said Bush sucks in Bush's home? I'm pretty sure Eddie would be asked to leave (or have a black bag put over his head and find himself in jail for "questioning" - thank you Patriot Act!).

    And wouldn't there be a difference if Eddie Vedder went and posted on the official Good Charlotte message board that GC sucks? I'm sure they would lock it up and tell him to take it somewhere else. Which he would have every right to do... cuz they do suck :)

    You are always free to say whatever you want, no one is taking that away. But all I'm saying is that if you call someone a a**hole in their own house, don't be surprised if they say take it somewhere else. No big deal.
    Sam
  • eyesnoeyes
    eyesnoeyes Posts: 50
    Wow, I've tried to present my opinion on this issue a few times, but it's never been as effectively represented as 'samnation's posts have reflected. Extremely well said and thought out in this thread (in my opinion)... (the one thing I would add after just reading the last post is that there is a crucial difference between Eddie ranting on Bush and the criticisms and rants of this board - the Government are representatives of the people and by proxy are BOUND to listen to any and all opinions of the masses they represent - because like it or not, they represent EVERYONE in a democracy, or at least they're supposed to - that's really where the 'free speech' idea, that everyone throws around in all possible (and many incorrect) contexts, comes from).
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  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    Kat wrote:
    You can view your own profile and click on the link that finds the last 300 of your posts. That limit is set because Searches are server intensive.

    Thanks Kat. :)
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Mohab wrote:
    This place censors so much . I find it a little bit painfully ironic because they have released statements that amount to backing free speech, and are often tenaciously supportive of at least thier own right to speek without being booed down. Now i don't like negative threads, name calling, racist, sexist homo phobic bullshit crosses the line. But if someone wants to rag in thier own thread on the bands shortcomings (and like any they have many) ad infinitum, what the fucks up with the paternalistic shotdown, keeping the product rolling? jst wondering, and please dont post board guidlines, ive read through them and am not a troll. I just want to see justice for people who get censored for being honest, like whoever posted about being let down at some recent concerts.
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    I always love how maintaining order in a Moderated Topical Forum is deemed as 'Censorship' and the 'Freedom Of Speech' is infringed upon. Threads normally get locked and/or Deleted due to the disgression of the moderator. and most of those threads are not because of the initial content... but, the ensuing vile words that get spewed across the screen.
    No one is censoring your free speech... this is NOT a Public Street... this is a Moderated Forum of Registered Members... some of whom violate the ground rules. It is their messages that gets the threads deleted, not necessarily the over message the originator meant to convey.
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  • Mohab
    Mohab Posts: 310
    samnation wrote:
    First of all I'm assuming that there is a level of respect for Pearl Jam that exists here in this message board. If you do hate Pearl Jam like the majority of the U.S. hates Bush, then you are of course free to say that, but one could argue that this is not the place for it.

    Wouldn't there be a difference if Eddie Vedder was at the White House and said Bush sucks in Bush's home? I'm pretty sure Eddie would be asked to leave (or have a black bag put over his head and find himself in jail for "questioning" - thank you Patriot Act!).

    And wouldn't there be a difference if Eddie Vedder went and posted on the official Good Charlotte message board that GC sucks? I'm sure they would lock it up and tell him to take it somewhere else. Which he would have every right to do... cuz they do suck :)

    You are always free to say whatever you want, no one is taking that away. But all I'm saying is that if you call someone a a**hole in their own house, don't be surprised if they say take it somewhere else. No big deal.


    If only you werent oversimplifying to the point of not making sense, we both agree over the top name calling is not cool, its not the same as swearing and being crude, nor does it seem to be categorically the only reason for censorship. If you say - eddie vedder is an asshole, maybe that is worth censoring if it is totally hateful and pointless, but if you say he was an asshole when he said those things to that little girl who flashed him at the show I was just at and you get censored, thats not cool - but entirely what you seem ok condoning.

    other threads and posts may dissapear which have no name calling, but are anti this or that issue related to pj
  • Mohab
    Mohab Posts: 310
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I always love how maintaining order in a Moderated Topical Forum is deemed as 'Censorship' and the 'Freedom Of Speech' is infringed upon. Threads normally get locked and/or Deleted due to the disgression of the moderator. and most of those threads are not because of the initial content... but, the ensuing vile words that get spewed across the screen.
    No one is censoring your free speech... this is NOT a Public Street... this is a Moderated Forum of Registered Members... some of whom violate the ground rules. It is their messages that gets the threads deleted, not necessarily the over message the originator meant to convey.

    not too many people beleieve in unconditional freedom of speech, i think pj are exceptioal also in that they stand up for free speech often and call it whatever you like, cutting posts and threads here in cesorship by defination,
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    Can't we all just get along?

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    :)
  • Mohab
    Mohab Posts: 310
    also , good charlotte are no pj and id expect nothing better from them, pearl jam on the other hand...

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